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Post by goldenarrow on Dec 12, 2018 18:07:21 GMT
From the RMT website
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Post by class411 on Dec 12, 2018 18:54:05 GMT
Nice.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Dec 12, 2018 19:09:18 GMT
This is station staff not train drivers although that won't help much as all the stations south of Queens Park are Section 12s.
Bakerloo stations are Elephant & Castle, Lambeth North, Charing Cross, Piccadilly Circus, Oxford Circus, Regents Park, Marylebone, Edgware Road, Warwick Avenue, Maida Vale and Kilburn Park.
Waterloo, Embankment, Baker Street and Paddington will all be open as they're staffed by other lines.
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Post by goldenarrow on Dec 12, 2018 19:17:38 GMT
This is station staff not train drivers although that won't help much as all the stations south of Queens Park are Section 12s.
Bakerloo stations are Elephant & Castle, Lambeth North, Charing Cross, Piccadilly Circus, Oxford Circus, Regents Park, Marylebone, Edgware Road, Warwick Avenue, Maida Vale and Kilburn Park.
Waterloo, Embankment, Baker Street and Paddington will all be open as they're staffed by other lines. Is section 12 a fire regulation order/exemption?
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Post by aslefshrugged on Dec 12, 2018 19:56:58 GMT
"Section 12" is the term used for any station subject to the Fire Precautions (Sub Surface Railway Stations) Regulations 1989. "Section 12" actually refers to the bit of the Railways Act (can't remember which one) that allows amendments by the Secretary of State for Transport.
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Post by rtt1928 on Dec 12, 2018 20:51:07 GMT
Does that mean that any station covered by Section 12 is not allowed to be unstaffed for safety reasons during usual opening hours?
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Post by Chris M on Dec 12, 2018 21:02:31 GMT
The specific clause in the 1989 Regulations 1 regarding minimum staffing levels appears to be section 10 (4): Section 12 of the Railways Act 1993 ("Modification by agreement") is the only Railways Act (or similarly titled legislation) with a potentially relevant Section 12: However as the Act postdates the Regulations, either the "Section 12" name must be a relatively recent appellation or it is not the origin of the phrase. Section 13(3) of the Regulations provide that a breach of provisions, including 10(4), constitutes and offence under section 12 of the Fire Precautions Act 1971. Section 12 of the Fire Precautions Act 1971 was 3 headed "Power of Secretary of State to make regulations about fire precautions", so this is likely to be the actual source of the terminology. 1. These regulations have been superceded, in respect of England, by the Fire Precautions (Sub-surface Railway Stations) (England) Regulations 2009, but the relevant clause, now Section 10 (2), remains unchanged in wording. 2. As originally enacted, it has been revised multiple times and presently reads "Office of Rail and Road" 3. The Act has been repealed as a whole by the Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005
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Post by brigham on Dec 13, 2018 9:15:51 GMT
What is this one about?
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Dec 13, 2018 9:46:48 GMT
I think it's this one. Link: Bakerloo Line Strike Boxing DayExcerpt: Staff are striking due to London Underground’s alleged failure to ensure sufficient shift coverage, which “creates undue stress on staff and puts all members and the travelling public at increased risk,” RMT said in a statement. RMT general secretary Mick Cash said: “RMT members are rightly angry that staffing levels on the Bakerloo Line have been hacked back to the bone presenting a serious danger to staff and passengers alike. “Previous commitments to ensure safe staffing coverage have been flouted and in order to press the company to address the issues we have no option but to announce a programme of action. “The union remains available for serious and genuine talks.”
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Post by aslefshrugged on Dec 13, 2018 10:05:00 GMT
Chris M Thank you I remembered from my H&S Rep days that it was Section 12 of some Act but couldn't remember which. Also the 1989 Regulations were replaced by the 2009 Regulations. brigham Something to do with staffing levels, not sure what as its RMT Bakerloo station staff and I'm ASLEF Central Line train crew rtt1928 Indeed, all "Section 12s" have a minimum staffing level set by the London Fire and Emergency Planning Authority (LFEPA), from memory its enough staff to physically clear the station in 5 minutes. This can vary from somewhere like Temple where the minimum is two staff (one of who is a "supervisor" or whatever today's equivalent is) all the way up to Kings Cross which on a weekday starts with a minimum of 11 staff (with three supervisors!!!) then rises to 19 between 7:30am and 8pm then back down to 11 until close of traffic.
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Post by commuter on Dec 14, 2018 7:26:00 GMT
Indeed, all "Section 12s" have a minimum staffing level set by the London Fire and Emergency Planning Authority (LFEPA), from memory its enough staff to physically clear the station in 5 minutes. This can vary from somewhere like Temple where the minimum is two staff (one of who is a "supervisor" or whatever today's equivalent is) all the way up to Kings Cross which on a weekday starts with a minimum of 11 staff (with three supervisors!!!) then rises to 19 between 7:30am and 8pm then back down to 11 until close of traffic. FWIW, the Fire Precautions (Sub-surface Railway Stations) (England) Regulations 2009 specify that there must be a minimum of two members of staff on duty at any station covered by the Regulations. The Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005 requires L.U.L to ensure that there are sufficient competent people on duty dependent on the risk. The Congestion Control & Emergency Plan is L.U.L’s answer to this and states amongst other things the minimum numbers of staff on duty. The minimum numbers are not set by LFEPA (In any case this organisation doesn’t exist anymore) but are set by the landlord for the station, the Area Manager (formerly G.S.M) in conjunction with the Health + safety reps and the Contingency Planning department.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Dec 14, 2018 7:43:13 GMT
commuter Thank you for the correction, I've been away from stations for 15 years and my memory is a bit hazy on the details. I didn't even know the LFEPA no longer existed!
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Post by Dstock7080 on Dec 20, 2018 16:56:03 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2018 18:10:34 GMT
Yay :-)
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