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Post by grumpycat on Mar 7, 2022 11:54:05 GMT
With the welding repairs I'm assuming the stock is going to be repainted aswell?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 7, 2022 12:14:13 GMT
With the welding repairs I'm assuming the stock is going to be repainted aswell? This post from 2019 gives the latest thoughts on repainting: link |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 9, 2022 13:14:30 GMT
CLIP train 2, incorporating LED lighting, CIS displays and cctv equipment recently made several test runs from Ruislip to Hainault.
Along with AC motor fitted train 1, these will undergo 6-8 weeks test running before sign-off of final designs for prototype trains.
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Post by coldplayfan18 on Mar 9, 2022 20:12:57 GMT
Good news!!! Is there a chance that the delay in putting the first refurbished train into service could be earlier than estimated?
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Post by noddymac on Mar 10, 2022 20:57:43 GMT
Good news!!! Is there a chance that the delay in putting the first refurbished train into service could be earlier than estimated? There is a short video clip on YouTube of the train on a test run so you can get a glimpse of what they will sound like. It sounds very much like an S stock has been copied and pasted over in the audio but yep, the ‘92’s will sound very similar to the S stock. |
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Post by coldplayfan18 on Mar 10, 2022 22:14:57 GMT
Good news!!! Is there a chance that the delay in putting the first refurbished train into service could be earlier than estimated? There is a short video clip on YouTube of the train on a test run so you can get a glimpse of what they will sound like. It sounds very much like an S stock has been copied and pasted over in the audio but yep, the ‘92’s will sound very similar to the S stock. Okay I’ll try and find it. Gonna be weird that they will sound different though. |
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Post by noddymac on Mar 11, 2022 11:54:45 GMT
There is a short video clip on YouTube of the train on a test run so you can get a glimpse of what they will sound like. It sounds very much like an S stock has been copied and pasted over in the audio but yep, the ‘92’s will sound very similar to the S stock. Okay I’ll try and find it. Gonna be weird that they will sound different though. YouTube “RobbieF’sTrains” it’s a colleague who captured the train whilst on duty. |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 11, 2022 12:14:43 GMT
There is a short video clip on YouTube of the train on a test run so you can get a glimpse of what they will sound like. It sounds very much like an S stock has been copied and pasted over in the audio but yep, the ‘92’s will sound very similar to the S stock. |
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Post by coldplayfan18 on Mar 11, 2022 15:46:58 GMT
Definitely does sound slightly like the S Stock. And a bit of the current sound too.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 24, 2022 12:47:24 GMT
car 92155 showing wheelchair space, LED lighting, PIS displays (not finished), new handrail and handholds:  |
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Post by Antje on Mar 24, 2022 19:22:00 GMT
Is it just me or is that the planned positioning of the passenger information displays? It feels like they could cut a hole under the ventilation plate things and the displays will just about fit.
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Post by miff on Mar 24, 2022 20:52:47 GMT
Thanks for the pictures, I’m curious to know what the bits that stick up are for- reminiscent of the tray things you used to put the coins in for a ‘coin-op’ washing machine at the launderette 😀. No criticism intended- I’m sure it’ll be obvious when it’s finished.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 24, 2022 21:01:14 GMT
Thanks for the pictures, I’m curious to know what the bits that stick up are for- reminiscent of the tray things you used to put the coins in for a ‘coin-op’ washing machine at the launderette 😀. No criticism intended- I’m sure it’ll be obvious when it’s finished. Low level PEAs Passenger Emergency Alarms |
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Post by coldplayfan18 on Mar 24, 2022 21:23:46 GMT
Not a criticism but the area that forms the wheelchair space looks like it takes up a lot of standing space. It’s most likely just the angle of the shot but can passengers still walk past them normally without having to try and squeeze past it if that makes sense. It looks great and this refurb will no doubt please a lot of people but could the reduction of seats and standing space due to the wheelchair bays affect the crowdedness during rush hour? Or should I not notice much difference?
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Post by coldplayfan18 on Mar 24, 2022 21:29:08 GMT
Also, with the introduction of the PIS, will Sarah Parnell completely replace Emma Clarke now ?
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Post by rsdworker on Mar 24, 2022 22:33:14 GMT
on warerloo and city line i noticed space for wheelchair and prams i think seen on video
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Post by Chris M on Mar 24, 2022 22:42:53 GMT
Not a criticism but the area that forms the wheelchair space looks like it takes up a lot of standing space. It’s most likely just the angle of the shot but can passengers still walk past them normally without having to try and squeeze past it if that makes sense. I think the intention is that wheelchair users position their chair with the back to the partition (i.e. someone using the space closest to the camera would have the window to their left, someone using the far one would have the window to their right), which should leave plenty of aisle space for other passengers. It looks great and this refurb will no doubt please a lot of people but could the reduction of seats and standing space due to the wheelchair bays affect the crowdedness during rush hour? Or should I not notice much difference? Overall I don't think you will notice much difference. When not occupied by a wheelchair user the space will accommodate more standees than the area currently does (although shorter passengers may preferentially stand elsewhere for easier things to hold) so the theoretical capacity of the car will be slightly increased (standing passengers take up less room than sitting ones, around 5-6/m² (crush loading is about 7/m²) vs 2.5/m²). When in use by wheelchair users the capacity will be slightly decreased - 1 m² will have the wheelchair user and typically 0-1 standees, but wheelchairs vary in size and outside of crush loading conditions passengers apparently typically give a wheelchair user more personal space than a standee. However given a Central line train holds about 930 passengers according to Wikipedia, this is not going to make a significant difference. |
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Post by spsmiler on Mar 24, 2022 23:33:56 GMT
Do wheelchair users fare well in the rush hours? My thoughts are that at some stations they will find it difficult to board a train as it will be rammed full of passengers - and in that condition it will simply not be possible for enough passengers to move out of the way to create space for the wheelchair.
Oh and at off-peak times do wheelchair and pushchair passengers clash / fight for space as they sometimes do on buses? Or is there nearly always sufficient space for them both?
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Post by smiffy on Mar 25, 2022 3:13:46 GMT
Glad to finally be able to see some of the interior changes. I assume there will be some kind of panelling to either side of the PIS screens?
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Post by coldplayfan18 on Mar 25, 2022 11:25:12 GMT
CLIP train 2, incorporating LED lighting, CIS displays and cctv equipment recently made several test runs from Ruislip to Hainault. Along with AC motor fitted train 1, these will undergo 6-8 weeks test running before sign-off of final designs for prototype trains. Do you know when the testing of both of these trains will commence? |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 25, 2022 11:33:08 GMT
Do you know when the testing of both of these trains will commence? They are both undergoing simultaneous test running on the Central Line |
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Post by coldplayfan18 on Mar 25, 2022 11:37:39 GMT
Do you know when the testing of both of these trains will commence? They are both undergoing simultaneous test running on the Central Line OK. So it is just these two trains undergoing testing at the moment? I know that you have stated that one of the train has only the new motors fitted, and the other has the internal refurb work but does this one have the motors fitted as well? And is the date for the first CLIP train to be taken into service still forecast for September or has there been a chance to recover some of this time? |
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Post by 100andthirty on Mar 25, 2022 12:21:32 GMT
Do wheelchair users fare well in the rush hours? My thoughts are that at some stations they will find it difficult to board a train as it will be rammed full of passengers - and in that condition it will simply not be possible for enough passengers to move out of the way to create space for the wheelchair. Oh and at off-peak times do wheelchair and pushchair passengers clash / fight for space as they sometimes do on buses? Or is there nearly always sufficient space for them both? As I understand it, on Central line there will be few, if any locations where wheelchairs will be able to board or alight without the assistance of a ramp manoeuvred by a staff member (excessive gap due to the configuration of the doors/lack of sills). Said staff member will, no doubt help find space. This is more of an issue on other lines where level access is provided and no staff assistance is required |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 25, 2022 12:35:03 GMT
OK. So it is just these two trains undergoing testing at the moment? I know that you have stated that one of the train has only the new motors fitted, and the other has the internal refurb work but does this one have the motors fitted as well? And is the date for the first CLIP train to be taken into service still forecast for September or has there been a chance to recover some of this time? Nothing has changed with that statement. I’ll try to update as usual when the information becomes available. |
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Post by miff on Mar 25, 2022 15:53:49 GMT
Nothing has changed with that statement. I’ll try to update as usual when the information becomes available. Thanks for all the updates. Would you be able to say whether the new workshop at Acton is now fully functioning, and the test trains or other trains inside it when required, or is there still commissioning or other preparatory work still to be done there? |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 25, 2022 16:12:13 GMT
Thanks for all the updates. Would you be able to say whether the new workshop at Acton is now fully functioning, and the test trains or other trains inside it when required, or is there still commissioning or other preparatory work still to be done there? Fully functioning since my post here from July 2021. |
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Post by miff on Mar 25, 2022 18:15:15 GMT
Thanks for reminding me, I even commented on it at the time  - I’ve got a memory like a ….. what were we talking about? |
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Post by spsmiler on Mar 26, 2022 10:41:19 GMT
As I understand it, on Central line there will be few, if any locations where wheelchairs will be able to board or alight without the assistance of a ramp manoeuvred by a staff member (excessive gap due to the configuration of the doors/lack of sills). Said staff member will, no doubt help find space. This is more of an issue on other lines where level access is provided and no staff assistance is required Yes well especially at the former LNER (etc) stations to the east of Leyton the larger than usual gap between train and platform still exists - this dates from when mainline trains (which are wider than tube trains) used the route. (Utopian cloud cuckoo-land comment:) Since the route nowadays is only used by Central Line tube trains so if there was a magical money tree somewhere then these stations could, I suppose, be made fully accessible (without staff assistance) by means of the tracks being realigned to reduce the lateral gaps and also change the track height to facilitate a same-level platform / train interface. Oh and at some of them lifts etc., being installed. |
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Post by 100andthirty on Mar 26, 2022 15:55:27 GMT
As I understand it, on Central line there will be few, if any locations where wheelchairs will be able to board or alight without the assistance of a ramp manoeuvred by a staff member (excessive gap due to the configuration of the doors/lack of sills). Said staff member will, no doubt help find space. This is more of an issue on other lines where level access is provided and no staff assistance is required Yes well especially at the former LNER (etc) stations to the east of Leyton the larger than usual gap between train and platform still exists - this dates from when mainline trains (which are wider than tube trains) used the route. (Utopian cloud cuckoo-land comment:) Since the route nowadays is only used by Central Line tube trains so if there was a magical money tree somewhere then these stations could, I suppose, be made fully accessible (without staff assistance) by means of the tracks being realigned to reduce the lateral gaps and also change the track height to facilitate a same-level platform / train interface. Oh and at some of them lifts etc., being installed. It would also require a significant modification to the train doorways. On all tube trains, except central line (and W&C) the floor extends to or just beyond the external line of the door. On Central line the floor is inboard of the door. Allowing a nominal 75mm between platform and door, this means that the gap on the 92 tube stock is in the order of 95mm to 100mm. |
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Post by jamesb on Mar 26, 2022 21:19:42 GMT
The photo looks great and I'm sure that lots of thought has gone into the best way to design the modifications. I guess a limiting factor is the diameter of the train, and that can't be changed. The objective of adding wheelchair bays has been achieved.
As a secondary issue, there don't appear to be any folding perch seats (? is that a cost reduction), so are the flat 'mini table' like ledges each side of the PEA tower designed to be perched on? The overhead apparatus (red railing and the panels to support the LED) looks a bit tight / close to where your head might be if you were leaning or perching.
Will the fluorescent tubes above the advertising posters/windows remain?
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