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Post by goldenarrow on Sept 12, 2018 17:20:40 GMT
TfL are currently consulting on a proposed 2nd entrance for Southwark station that would be sited on Greet Street adjoining the current combined ticket hall between the Tube and Waterloo East. Interesting to note that Network Rail ran a consultation in 2009 with an almost identical proposal although it appears that the responsibilty has now been deferred to LU/TfL. Consultation runs until Tuesday October 9th 2018 PDF of slides detailing works can be found here. Consultation web page can be found here. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2018 11:29:23 GMT
I guess it is an easy fruit to pick - but there are hundreds of much more pressing issues with capacity elsewhere. Southwark is not THAT overcrowded.
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Post by Chris M on Sept 13, 2018 12:01:54 GMT
It's probably a "quick win" - they own the land, it won't cost too much to build (e.g. no lifts or escalators), the local council want to improve the streetscape (best done at the same time), it will help if the main entrance has to close when they build the over-site development - and it's always better to add capacity before it's needed than after.
Also, it keeps the various development teams engaged in useful work while also progressing longer term schemes.
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Post by rsdworker on Sept 14, 2018 15:28:20 GMT
i agree with it - this concoruse has no lifts however i think its would be easier to install 2nd lift from this side so more disabled people can use this side also make easier connections
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Post by Chris M on Sept 14, 2018 16:40:54 GMT
The consultation does say: "It is not possible from a technical and engineering perspective to provide step free access at the new entrance" so I don't think installing a lift here would be "easy", although it's not clear why from the axonometric drawing. It says more info will be available from the equality impact statement, but that is not yet available. |
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Post by phil on Sept 14, 2018 19:44:09 GMT
The consultation does say: "It is not possible from a technical and engineering perspective to provide step free access at the new entrance" so I don't think installing a lift here would be "easy", although it's not clear why from the axonometric drawing. It says more info will be available from the equality impact statement, but that is not yet available.
Its all very well providing step free access from the street to the lobby under the NR viaduct - but as the drawing shows there is no step free provision from there down to the platforms (or up to the NR ones). Adding lifts to provide this would be expensive and not technically easy so its hardly surprising that TfL have not made the new entrance step free and direct folk to the nearby Southwalk or Waterloo (for NR) entrances instead
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Post by Chris M on Sept 14, 2018 20:44:41 GMT
phil indeed, but I understood rsdworker to be saying that adding a lift from platform level to this lobby would be easy. My comment was saying that the consultation explicitly said it would not be technically possible, but the reason why it is not possible is not obvious from the drawing as there is nothing on there that indicates it would be more or less easy than it was to provide the existing lift. Yes it would probably have to be done in two stages, but that's hardly an insurmountable engineering problem. I'm not doubting there is a reason, it's just that what the reason is something not shown on the drawing (of which there are a great many things, it was not created for that purpose). One thing I did comment in my response to the consultation though was that adding an escalator from the street to the new entrance would increase the accessibility by allowing those who can manage escalators but not stairs to use it. Even splitting the single flight of ~12 stairs into 2 or 3 sections with intermediate landings would be an improvement.
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Post by phil on Sept 15, 2018 0:23:43 GMT
phil indeed, but I understood rsdworker to be saying that adding a lift from platform level to this lobby would be easy. My comment was saying that the consultation explicitly said it would not be technically possible, but the reason why it is not possible is not obvious from the drawing as there is nothing on there that indicates it would be more or less easy than it was to provide the existing lift. Yes it would probably have to be done in two stages, but that's hardly an insurmountable engineering problem. I'm not doubting there is a reason, it's just that what the reason is something not shown on the drawing (of which there are a great many things, it was not created for that purpose). One thing I did comment in my response to the consultation though was that adding an escalator from the street to the new entrance would increase the accessibility by allowing those who can manage escalators but not stairs to use it. Even splitting the single flight of ~12 stairs into 2 or 3 sections with intermediate landings would be an improvement. I don’t doubt providing complete step free access is doable from an engineering perspective - engineers have faced far more difficult setups to grapple with at other sites when it comes to step free access. Thing is, if this new enterance is a ‘easy win’ sort of thing as it simply requires some steps down to the street adding, with TfL finances under pressure it is entirely understandable that major works to make it a step free enterance have been ruled out. |
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