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Post by Tomcakes on Jul 20, 2018 23:20:42 GMT
Recently, I've noticed that crews are changing over at Camden Town. I don't recall this happening in the past; is it a new thing? What's the advantage in changing over here rather than at East Finchley etc,or are the duties so tightly scheduled that the driver continuing on to there would go over his hours?
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Post by superteacher on Jul 20, 2018 23:45:58 GMT
Recently, I've noticed that crews are changing over at Camden Town. I don't recall this happening in the past; is it a new thing? What's the advantage in changing over here rather than at East Finchley etc,or are the duties so tightly scheduled that the driver continuing on to there would go over his hours? Didn’t Camden used to be a crew depot a few years back? |
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Post by DWS on Jul 21, 2018 7:44:59 GMT
Recently, I've noticed that crews are changing over at Camden Town. I don't recall this happening in the past; is it a new thing? What's the advantage in changing over here rather than at East Finchley etc,or are the duties so tightly scheduled that the driver continuing on to there would go over his hours? Didn’t Camden used to be a crew depot a few years back? No Camden was not a crew depot but it used to be a meal relief point as it had a canteen. |
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Post by North End on Jul 21, 2018 8:14:06 GMT
Recently, I've noticed that crews are changing over at Camden Town. I don't recall this happening in the past; is it a new thing? What's the advantage in changing over here rather than at East Finchley etc,or are the duties so tightly scheduled that the driver continuing on to there would go over his hours? It won’t be a booked change. Most likely it’s a duty that’s been broken up for whatever reason - either to get the booked driver on or off the train, or two spares covering different parts of the duty. Could happen for example if it’s a Golders Green duty that spends most of its time going up the Barnet branch. Or Golders Green covering part or all of a High Barnet duty that goes nowhere near the Edgware branch. For similar reasons crew reliefs sometimes occur at Kennington, mainly involving Morden drivers. Naturally there’s an element of risk involved in arranging such a relief, and some desk managers are keener to arrange it than others. However breaking up duties keeps the troops happy, and sometimes if coverage is tight it may be the only way to cover part of a duty.. |
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Post by superteacher on Jul 21, 2018 8:38:58 GMT
So where are the current crew depots and were there any that were closed?
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Post by aslefshrugged on Jul 21, 2018 8:57:04 GMT
In 2010 there were four train crew depots; Morden, Golders Green, High Barnet and East Finchley
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Post by PiccNT on Jul 21, 2018 9:26:21 GMT
I remember many years ago there used to be a small number at Euston. Or maybe my memory has failed! It was a regular occurrence then for meal reliefs to be taken at Camden. Entrance to the canteen was I believe just by the Kentish Town Road station exit. This is going back to the early 1980's.
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Post by superteacher on Jul 21, 2018 9:31:17 GMT
I remember many years ago there used to be a small number at Euston. Or maybe my memory has failed! It was a regular occurrence then for meal reliefs to be taken at Camden. Entrance to the canteen was I believe just by the Kentish Town Road station exit. This is going back to the early 1980's. Back in the 60s (pre Victoria line) some off peak trains reversed at Euston, so maybe having a crewing point there was a demand of those days? |
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Post by memorex on Jul 21, 2018 12:26:44 GMT
The Northern Line is currently operating a special timetable owing to the works at Kennington. A number of drivers have commented that, if for example, they are a Golders Green based driver, they don’t see Golders Green for the entirely of their duty - they start at Golders, and run almost entirely in the Barnet branch before finishing their duty back at Golders. Obviously not all of their duties are like this, but moreso than usual. If there is a duty like this being covered by spare operators, it is often difficult to find one operator who is available to cover the duty in its entirety, so it’s split up between multiple drivers. For a Golders Green duty being covered by their spares, but running up to High Barnet, the logical crew relief point is Camden Town. So you may well be noticing more crew reliefs at Camden because of the temporary timetable.
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Post by towerman on Jul 27, 2018 12:37:15 GMT
Sure there was a traincrew depot at Kennington back in the day.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 21:45:03 GMT
When I was a Controller on the Northern Line (1970s and 1980s), the train crew depots were Edgware, Golders Green, High Barnet, East Finchley, Euston (a small number of 'inside' duties), Kennington and Morden. Many crew reliefs took place at Camden Town (mostly for meal reliefs) and an early and late PNR crew was provided at Camden Town on the early and late shift, who came from other depots, as Camden Town was not a 'depot'.
PNR - Physical Needs Relief (going to the loo in blunt speak!).
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Post by superteacher on Sept 25, 2018 6:27:12 GMT
When I was a Controller on the Northern Line (1970s and 1980s), the train crew depots were Edgware, Golders Green, High Barnet, East Finchley, Euston (a small number of 'inside' duties), Kennington and Morden. Many crew reliefs took place at Camden Town (mostly for meal reliefs) and an early and late PNR crew was provided at Camden Town on the early and late shift, who came from other depots, as Camden Town was not a 'depot'. PNR - Physical Needs Relief (going to the loo in blunt speak!). What is an “inside” duty? |
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Post by JR 15secs on Sept 25, 2018 9:02:50 GMT
When I was a Controller on the Northern Line (1970s and 1980s), the train crew depots were Edgware, Golders Green, High Barnet, East Finchley, Euston (a small number of 'inside' duties), Kennington and Morden. Many crew reliefs took place at Camden Town (mostly for meal reliefs) and an early and late PNR crew was provided at Camden Town on the early and late shift, who came from other depots, as Camden Town was not a 'depot'. PNR - Physical Needs Relief (going to the loo in blunt speak!). What is an “inside” duty? Reg is right with the location of depots, I was at Euston, and there were only 10 crews 1-4 were early turns 5-7 were late turns With 1 spare each shift and 1 leave cover Inside turns means no extreme shifts No1 duty booked on 06:15 and was a platform pick up with 2-4 being starters from depots Golders/Highgate and Morden. All the late turn were platform pick ups with one of them picking up going to Golders then back to Kennington to back to Archway and finally getting off at Morden with the latest finish being 21:25 at Camden. After everyone had booked on the spare went to Camden Town and covered whatever job came up both Kennington and Golders had PNR spares each shift so Camden Town was a central point, meal reliefs took place at other locations. The other thing we did a lot of was stock moves on the Northern as the bigger depots always had to cover their own duties first we also did sleet runs again for the same reasons, the amount of times I did Golders depot to Highgate via Euston and Kings cross loops I lost count. There was a Morden driver Lachman Singh who would pick up at Morden go north but on his way south would request a PNR at Camden, he would have went to Morden and back to Camden then meal relief but liked to play cards, his name was always written in red by the SMs. |
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