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Post by Deep Level on Jun 14, 2018 20:01:00 GMT
A new sight for me (and a rare one I believe), I caught a TfL Rail train from platform 14 at Liverpool Street this evening. I don't know if this is a regular thing as I don't normally travel home from work this late but I don't believe TfL Rail trains ever use any platforms other than 15-18. Platform 18 was occupied by an empty GA train, 17 by a C2C train to Shoeburyness (this one was a platform alteration), another TfL Rail train in 16 (about to depart) and a GA train to Southend Vic in 15 (this platform of course being a GA platform but regularly used by TfL Rail during the day). I imagine this is probably down to Platforms 11 and 12 still being out of use at Liverpool Street due to the "serious track defect outside Liverpool Street" which has put them out of use all this week so far.  |
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Post by melikepie on Jun 14, 2018 20:30:43 GMT
A new sight for me (and a rare one I belive), I caught a TfL Rail train from platform 14 at Liversedge Street this evening. I don't know if this is a regular thing... You're right. That definitely sounds odd. There are no stations in Liversedge and the nearest ones at Brighouse or Mirfield serve Leeds, Bradford, Halifax, Huddersfield, Castleford, Wakefield or London Kings Cross. |
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Post by Deep Level on Jun 15, 2018 5:59:09 GMT
A new sight for me (and a rare one I belive), I caught a TfL Rail train from platform 14 at Liversedge Street this evening. I don't know if this is a regular thing... You're right. That definitely sounds odd. There are no stations in Liversedge and the nearest ones at Brighouse or Mirfield serve Leeds, Bradford, Halifax, Huddersfield, Castleford, Wakefield or London Kings Cross. Whoops! Haha  I did that one from my phone, the spelling mistakes have now been corrected. |
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Post by superteacher on Jun 15, 2018 6:21:15 GMT
I’ve seen unusual platform usage there at various points. During engineering works there was a shuttle from there to Stratford, and the TFL Rail train left from, I believe, platform 8. Also saw a Hertford East train leave from platform 16.
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Post by bigvern on Jun 15, 2018 7:22:01 GMT
Platforms 11 & 12 are currently out of use due to a points defect which needs parts which are on a long lead time (October), so there maybe short notice platform alterations from the regular working.
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Post by superteacher on Jun 15, 2018 7:26:22 GMT
Platforms 11 & 12 are currently out of use due to a points defect which needs parts which are on a long lead time (October), so there maybe short notice platform alterations from the regular working. There have been quite a few cancellations and short formations on Greater Anglia this week, as 11 and 12 are both able to accommodate 12 coach trains. Some of the others can only take eight coach trains. A couple of TFL Rail trains have also been cancelled as a knock on. Apparently a temporary fix will be undertaken this weekend meaning normal service should be resumed from Monday. |
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Post by sawb on Jun 15, 2018 7:34:04 GMT
As I understand it, platforms 1-15 are capable of taking 12 car trains, but 16-18 can only take 8 car trains.
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Post by stapler on Jun 15, 2018 7:35:27 GMT
Why is it taking such a long time to replace components on the points?
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Post by 35b on Jun 15, 2018 7:44:19 GMT
Why is it taking such a long time to replace components on the points? Suggested elsewhere that the component(s) are bespoke to that particular location, presumably because of the complex & unusual geometry of the Liverpool Street throat. |
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Post by jukes on Jun 15, 2018 14:43:51 GMT
As I understand it, platforms 1-15 are capable of taking 12 car trains, but 16-18 can only take 8 car trains. Platforms 16 and 17 are due to be extended to accommodate Elizabeth line 9-car trains with provision for 10-car. As they are 23m coaches the length will be equivalent to a 12-car (20m) train. in order to do this Platform 18 will be permanently taken out of service. |
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Post by snoggle on Jun 15, 2018 16:14:38 GMT
Why is it taking such a long time to replace components on the points? It is a unique design due to the track layout at Liverpool St. Network Rail said that the part had already been ordered as they anticipated replacement in the Autumn based on predicted wear rates. However the wear has, in reality, been greater hence the problems they have encountered. It's not dissimilar to the problems they had at Lewisham where a key, but unique, part of the crossover failed a couple of years back resulting in serious disruption. |
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Post by silenthunter on Jun 16, 2018 21:01:38 GMT
As I understand it, platforms 1-15 are capable of taking 12 car trains, but 16-18 can only take 8 car trains. Platforms 16 and 17 are due to be extended to accommodate Elizabeth line 9-car trains with provision for 10-car. As they are 23m coaches the length will be equivalent to a 12-car (20m) train. in order to do this Platform 18 will be permanently taken out of service. What are they going to put there instead? |
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Post by Deep Level on Jun 17, 2018 10:43:38 GMT
Platforms 16 and 17 are due to be extended to accommodate Elizabeth line 9-car trains with provision for 10-car. As they are 23m coaches the length will be equivalent to a 12-car (20m) train. in order to do this Platform 18 will be permanently taken out of service. What are they going to put there instead? I can only assume that it's going to remain an unused, non-tracked platform just like Gloucester Road. |
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Post by silenthunter on Jun 18, 2018 11:18:19 GMT
What are they going to put there instead? I can only assume that it's going to remain an unused, non-tracked platform just like Gloucester Road. That's a waste of good retail space... |
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Post by rsdworker on Jun 18, 2018 14:03:03 GMT
well they could coverent to large walkway over to other platforms like that can be easily done just put down covers on top of tracks - if platform ever reopens one day the covers can be easily removed
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Post by rincew1nd on Jun 18, 2018 14:47:22 GMT
Or they could build retail units and a first class lounge on it like Lime St, only to rip it all out for years later because they need the platform capacity!
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Post by stapler on Jun 18, 2018 15:12:52 GMT
If the first class lounge is like the one at Ipswich, it'll never be open. But perhaps 1st class will have been abolished by then anyway...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 16:15:46 GMT
It's the platform that is the furthest away from the main concourse. Makes no sense for anything retail oriented (not that there's any lack of available space for retail facilities already - City Corp made sure that there's plenty of that in the 1990s rebuild).
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Post by peagle on Jul 3, 2018 16:25:40 GMT
Even more unusual than TfL rail trains in platform 14, during the disruption there were often departures for Clacton/Colchester/Ipswich from platforms 6 and 7 in the evening peak.
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Post by Deep Level on Jul 4, 2018 7:22:37 GMT
It's the platform that is the furthest away from the main concourse. Makes no sense for anything retail oriented (not that there's any lack of available space for retail facilities already - City Corp made sure that there's plenty of that in the 1990s rebuild). It just occurred to me when looking at Platform 17 that surely the tracks will have to be extended further into the concourse to match up with platform 15/16 if they're going to be able to get 9 car trains on it meaning that access to the old p18 will be a lot narrower than it is currently. |
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Post by jukes on Jul 4, 2018 21:22:58 GMT
It's the platform that is the furthest away from the main concourse. Makes no sense for anything retail oriented (not that there's any lack of available space for retail facilities already - City Corp made sure that there's plenty of that in the 1990s rebuild). It just occurred to me when looking at Platform 17 that surely the tracks will have to be extended further into the concourse to match up with platform 15/16 if they're going to be able to get 9 car trains on it meaning that access to the old p18 will be a lot narrower than it is currently. Not seen the actual final plans but 16 & 17 must be long enough to take a 10-car Class 345 and 345's are 23m car length. Initially they will be 9-car but could be extended to 10 later so provision must be made. |
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Post by silenthunter on Jul 4, 2018 21:29:22 GMT
Don't they just need to move the starter signal?
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Post by jukes on Jul 5, 2018 15:42:27 GMT
No! 16 & 17 are 162m long. Thats only just long enough for an 8-car 20m coach train. They need to be physically lengthened to accommodate 230m which represents an eventual 10-car 23m coach class 345.
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Post by silenthunter on Jul 6, 2018 21:10:31 GMT
SDO? Also, you would still need to move the signals, hence eliminating the track to 18.
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Post by jukes on Jul 7, 2018 14:12:06 GMT
SDO? Also, you would still need to move the signals, hence eliminating the track to 18. When 16 & 17 are extended to 230m the starting signals will be moved. No point leaving them halfway down the extended platforms! 18 will be eliminated entirely. |
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Post by silenthunter on Jul 7, 2018 14:16:01 GMT
Which is what I'm saying. You can't have a single block overlapping the points to 18.
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Post by Chris M on Jul 8, 2018 1:43:21 GMT
Which is what I'm saying. You can't have a single block overlapping the points to 18. [Pedant]You could. It just wouldn't be very useful as the two tracks could not be used independently, so you would effectively have one usable track plus another track and some points to maintain.[/pedant] |
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