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Post by goldenarrow on May 18, 2018 18:47:48 GMT
The 'London Rail and Tube services map' detailing changes across the Capitals rail network is now live. TFL Rail has made it's way to Heathrow annexing Heathrow Connect with Heathrow Express has been reigned in (literally) the Oyster boundary. Thameslink has been re-instated through London Bridge also including new routes via the Greenwich Loop/North Dartford Loop lines + withdrawal of Penge E. services aswell as the inclusion of former Great Northern services that have now joined the Thameslink empire. C2C's limited service to Liverpool St and Fenchurch St via Stratford is now shown on the map. Most intriguingly, the maps now has a walking symbol listed under: Street level transfer between stations for those OSI's which are listed on maps as interchanges. content.tfl.gov.uk/london-rail-and-tube-services-map.pdf |
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Post by brigham on May 19, 2018 7:31:41 GMT
It's finally gone from 'too complicated' to 'unreadable'.
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Post by alicarr on May 19, 2018 7:58:21 GMT
It seems like the rule was to show the "street level transfer" symbol only for those connections which are:
(1) already interchanges shown on the map (so no South Tottenham - Seven Sisters, Paddington - Lancaster Gate, Ickenham - West Ruislip or any of the other official OSIs not already on the map);
and (2) between stations with different names (so no Paddington - Paddington, Hammersmith - Hammersmith or any street-level-only connections between NR and Underground stations).
Doing it this way, it seems like the symbols create more confusion than they clear up!
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Post by snoggle on May 19, 2018 11:05:16 GMT
Well that map is just a teeny bit complicated! Showing all the peak variants alongside the regular train service changes results in a challenging read. I'm not convinced they've got the separation of TfL Rail and GWR routes out west quite right. You have to raise the magnification a fair way to see that TfL Rail serves all the stations. And the fare zone treatment for HEX doesn't look right either but, to be fair, I don't know you make it work sensibly on a map of this scale.
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Post by londoner on May 19, 2018 11:41:15 GMT
It seems like the rule was to only show the "street level transfer" symbol for connections which are (1) already interchanges shown on the map (so no South Tottenham - Seven Sisters, Paddington - Lancaster Gate, Ickenham - West Ruislip or any of the other official OSIs not already on the map) and (2) between stations with different names (so no Paddington - Paddington, Hammersmith - Hammersmith or any street-level-only connections between NR and Underground stations). Doing it this way, it seems like the symbols create more confusion than they clear up! Ah yes, that would explain why West Hampstead only has one symbol not two! |
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Post by alicarr on May 19, 2018 12:23:16 GMT
I'm not convinced they've got the separation of TfL Rail and GWR routes out west quite right. You have to raise the magnification a fair way to see that TfL Rail serves all the stations. I think part of the issue is the similarity in colour between TfL Rail and GWR. The dark blue notches in Hanwell / Southall / Acton don't stand out very well against GWR's dark blue. Of course the colour clash with Piccadilly right now is even worse - the official guideline is for Piccadilly and TfL Rail to use the same colour, but this obviously doesn't work on the Rail & Tube map where TfL Rail is a single line, so TfL Rail is given a slighty lighter shade of blue. It'll be interesting to see whether the May 2018 standard tube map keeps TfL Rail in Piccadilly colour, so that the only visible difference at Heathrow is TfL Rail being cased / a double line. At least all the colour clash might (fingers crossed) be gone by December. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on May 19, 2018 13:07:02 GMT
On shared lines like that they used to show the ticks on both sides.
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Post by alicarr on May 20, 2018 8:22:11 GMT
I'm sure it's been discussed on this forum before, but I'd also say the principle of sorting rail services by operator is unhelpful. "Can I get a direct train from Cheam to Penge West? There's an unbroken green line connecting the two." "As you can see, both stations are served by routes operated by Southern." "No, that's not what I mean. Can I get a train between the two stations without changing?" "Uhhh, who knows?" That said, even though passengers generally won't care what colour their train is, sorting by operator could be the most practical intermediate between showing every possible route (which would look like spaghetti) and making no visual distinction between any of the routes (which would look like an even more extreme version of the Overground devolution map). And the Tube suffers from the same problem: Can I get a train from Richmond to Edgware Road? What about Heathrow to Shenfield (after Crossrail fully opens)? |
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