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Post by Ben on May 17, 2018 17:57:12 GMT
And it could be very misleading - some OSIs are quite convenient, others are a very long trek. Where do you draw the line? ( So to speak) A vexed question. If they weren't convenient to someone, then presumably they wouldn't be OSI's to start with. Perhaps, using travel data sources, a minimum threshold for either number of people using the interchange, or percent of people using the interchange (compared to not), could be established, above which the OSI is displayed? Those broken lines for interchange btw are very good.
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Post by Chris M on May 17, 2018 22:11:49 GMT
It isn't just about distance. Kentish Town to Kentish Town West and Leytonstone to Leytonstone High Road are some of the longest OSIs distance wise - gateline to gateline is approximately 700-750 metres according to Goolge maps measurement. Caledonian Road to Caledonian Road & Barnsbury and New Cross to Deptford Birdge are not recognised OSIs but are approximately the same distance. Kentish Town West to Chalk Farm is actually slightly closer than to Kenitsh Town (~650 metres) but this is not a recognised OSI. All of these interchanges have clear utility.
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Post by snoggle on May 20, 2018 8:55:42 GMT
I've been keeping an eye on the TfL website expecting the standard Tube Map to change. It has yet to do so which I find odd given we've reached 20 May. The version displayed has a date of May 2018 but clearly isn't the new version.
The large print version has been updated.
I am also slightly surprised that the Single Fare Finder does not seem to have been updated to reflect the new PAYG fares into Heathrow. I would have expected this to change overnight.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2018 9:16:35 GMT
Yes that's annoying. I wanted to find out the price of the new Tfl Rail to Heathrow because I know I'm going to be asked it at work today. Yet it isn't there. I did find out from somewhere that a 1-6 travelcard will give free travel but couldn't find the normal oyster fare which it did say would not be a normal zone 1-6 charge.
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Post by howda62 on May 20, 2018 10:36:21 GMT
At least some of the fares do appear to be there in the Single Fare Finder. However the TFL Rail Heathrow stations do not appear in the drop down boxes when you just type 'Heathrow'. If you start typing 'Heathrow Terminal Rail' in the box, the drop down list shows 'Heathrow Terminals 1-3 Rail Station', 'Heathrow Terminal 4 Rail Station' and 'Heathrow Terminal 5 Rail Station' in the options. Fares from Heathrow Rail to Paddington come up as £10.20 peak, £10.10 off-peak, and fares to other Zone 1 underground stations (e.g. Baker Street) come up as £12.10 peak and £10.10 off-peak. (Apologies I can't seem to get a Url that preloads the source/destination into the fare finder.) Hopefully the clumsiness of the interface for these fares will be sorted out soon.
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Post by rincew1nd on May 20, 2018 11:39:03 GMT
It'll probably all update on Monday when the office workers appear </cynic>.
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Post by snoggle on May 20, 2018 12:52:56 GMT
At least some of the fares do appear to be there in the Single Fare Finder. However the TFL Rail Heathrow stations do not appear in the drop down boxes when you just type 'Heathrow'. If you start typing 'Heathrow Terminal Rail' in the box, the drop down list shows 'Heathrow Terminals 1-3 Rail Station', 'Heathrow Terminal 4 Rail Station' and 'Heathrow Terminal 5 Rail Station' in the options. Fares from Heathrow Rail to Paddington come up as £10.20 peak, £10.10 off-peak, and fares to other Zone 1 underground stations (e.g. Baker Street) come up as £12.10 peak and £10.10 off-peak. (Apologies I can't seem to get a Url that preloads the source/destination into the fare finder.) Hopefully the clumsiness of the interface for these fares will be sorted out soon. Thanks for that. What a cumbersome mess though. Why on earth should you have to type such a long phrase? Similar problems exist elsewhere in the Single Fare Finder - grrrr. How is the average person with no knowledge of TfL minutiae supposed to cope with this? Having now tried with the correct phrase the fares are actually there including some truly wacky "avoiding Zone 1" pink validator / OSI routes if you pick a start station on the other side of London. EDIT - having tweeted about this on Twitter I've had a reply from TfL who say the issue is being looked at as a priority. I've given them some feedback to try to make it easier to bring up the full list of Heathrow station options.
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Post by howda62 on May 20, 2018 17:40:22 GMT
Thanks for that. What a cumbersome mess though. Why on earth should you have to type such a long phrase? Similar problems exist elsewhere in the Single Fare Finder - grrrr. How is the average person with no knowledge of TfL minutiae supposed to cope with this? Having now tried with the correct phrase the fares are actually there including some truly wacky "avoiding Zone 1" pink validator / OSI routes if you pick a start station on the other side of London. EDIT - having tweeted about this on Twitter I've had a reply from TfL who say the issue is being looked at as a priority. I've given them some feedback to try to make it easier to bring up the full list of Heathrow station options. Indeed, trying to find the Heathrow TfL Rail fares is pretty impossible as is. You'd have thought someone would have checked this before it rolled out - this being a significant change, but good to see TfL actively looking into it.
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Post by goldenarrow on May 20, 2018 17:55:23 GMT
Erm... what's happened to New Addington?
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Post by snoggle on May 20, 2018 18:14:01 GMT
Indeed, trying to find the Heathrow TfL Rail fares is pretty impossible as is. You'd have thought someone would have checked this before it rolled out - this being a significant change, but good to see TfL actively looking into it. I agree it should have been tested by non expert, non technical people who are unfamiliar with the technicalities of TfL's website. Unfortunately it is not the only instance of semi impenetrable station names on the Single Fare Finder. I'll stop now before I get reprimanded for veering too far off topic.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2018 18:27:20 GMT
Is it just me or does the button for the large map link to the black and white map?
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Post by alicarr on May 20, 2018 18:55:41 GMT
Erm... what's happened to New Addington? Another Morden moment? Hopefully they spot it before the maps are rolled out at every station!
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Post by howda62 on May 20, 2018 20:16:19 GMT
I picked up the May pocket map on Friday, so they're already in some stations. And don't panic, New Addington is present. differences January 2018 to May 2018: - TfL Rail services Paddington-Heathrow T2,3 and T4 added. stations added to map: Hayes & Harlington, Southall, Hanwell, West Ealing, Acton Main Line. - Blackhorse Road (LO), step-free to platform added - Bromley-by-Bow, step-free to platform added - Buckhurst Hill, step-free to platform added - Camden Town, dagger removed - Canning Town, dagger removed - Hammersmith (District/Piccadilly), now step-free to train - Holborn, dagger removed - Kennington, dagger added - Tottenham Court Road (Northern), now step-free to train - Wimbledon (District), now step-free to train
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Post by John Tuthill on May 20, 2018 20:41:00 GMT
I picked up the May pocket map on Friday, so they're already in some stations. And don't panic, New Addington is present. Is it me or does everything to the right of grid line 6 look a complete mess? I think that with every new addition line added, Haeey Becks original design is being lost
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Post by silenthunter on May 20, 2018 21:39:27 GMT
It definitely makes a case for colouring the LO lines in different colours.
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Post by Antje on May 20, 2018 22:58:31 GMT
With Crossrail/Elizabeth line, the existing pocket tube map design core is really starting to show a lot of strain. I don't think it will be long until we get a new leaf or something to reduce the pressure.
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Post by Chris M on May 21, 2018 12:47:01 GMT
The digital map is now, finally, live on the TfL website so here is the comprehensive list of changes relative to the March 2018 edition:
TfL Rail Paddington to Heathrow added In consequence shape of Heathrow loop radically changed, and Piccadilly line as far as Northfields is now slightly south east of where it was with stations slightly closer together. Hatton Cross has moved significantly eastwards and South Ealing slightly westwards (the latter now horizontally aligned with Ealing Broadway and Hanger Lane) Buckhurst Hill and Bromley-by-Bow now step-free from street to platform Holborn, Canning Town and Camden Town have lost their red daggers Kennington has gained a blue dagger Wimbledon District line and Hammersmith D&P now step-free to train (previously just to street) Gunnersbury, Kew Gardens and Richmond all slightly further south, with Richmond now slightly further away from Kew Gardens River Thames moves slightly south south of Heathrow The Goblin between South Tottenham and Leyton Midland Road has moved very slightly east, Leyton Midland Road station has moved a similar distance west. Maryland and Manor Park have moved very slightly north east
Zone marking changes: labels for zones 4, 5 and 6, added west of zone 3 label west of East Putney. Zone 4 label south-east of Morden moves closer to the statiion Zone 6 west of Zone 5 west of Ealing Broadway now much wider, consequently no longer space for a Z6 label here. The Zone 4-5 boundary has been moved or reshaped slightly along its entire length for obvious reason (other than around TfL Rail/Piccadilly line Heathrow branch). The south edge of the interchange circle for Norwood Junction now touches the boundary rather than being clearly wholly within Z4. The Zone 3-4 boundary has been similarly moved or reshaped slightly between Perivale and Merton Park (partly in consequence of TfL Rail).
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2018 13:31:29 GMT
Wimbledon District line and Hammersmith D&P now step-free to train (previously just to street) It should say “previously just to platform “ not street. In fact the map is wrong, P hasn’t changed.
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Post by Chris M on May 21, 2018 16:43:58 GMT
Indeed "previously just to street" was my thinko. Showing the different step-free status of the lines at Hammersmith* would be easy - they do this at Earl's Court
*I shall refrain from ranting again about why the symbols are actually not useful.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2018 10:38:21 GMT
The digital map is now, finally, live on the TfL website so here is the comprehensive list of changes relative to the March 2018 edition:
Forgive me for making this about me, but this seems the place to ask. In my "collection" of pdf maps - the Standard Tube maps downloaded from the TfL website - I have March 2017, May 2017, July 2017 and March 2018 - anyone know if I'm missing any?
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Post by Chris M on May 22, 2018 11:53:34 GMT
I have the following digital maps:
2004-03 2006-08(1) 2006-08(2) 2006-11 2007-12 2008-01 2008-03 2008-10 2009-12 2010-05 2011-03 2011-04 2011-09 2011-12 2012-05 2012-06 2012-12 2013-05 2013-09 2013-12 2014-05 2014-12 2015-05 2015-12 2016-06 2016-12 2017-03 2017-05 2017-07 2017-12 2018-02 2018-03
You seem to be missing December 2017 and February 2018. Send me a PM if you would like me to email you those or any others.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2018 12:55:11 GMT
I have the following digital maps: 2004-03 2006-08(1) 2006-08(2) 2006-11 2007-12 2008-01 2008-03 2008-10 2009-12 2010-05 2011-03 2011-04 2011-09 2011-12 2012-05 2012-06 2012-12 2013-05 2013-09 2013-12 2014-05 2014-12 2015-05 2015-12 2016-06 2016-12 2017-03 2017-05 2017-07 2017-12 2018-02 2018-03 You seem to be missing December 2017 and February 2018. Send me a PM if you would like me to email you those or any others. Oooh, I know I'm not the original poster - but is it possible to get all of them? I'm planning to stop collecting paper maps soon (as part of my general switch to electronic media in my life), and PDF replacements would be great to have.
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Post by AndrewPSSP on May 22, 2018 13:14:51 GMT
Maybe a big thread with all the PDF versions?
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Post by Chris M on May 22, 2018 14:13:26 GMT
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Post by Antje on May 23, 2018 14:48:31 GMT
Maybe reduce the connector width by 2/3?
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Post by alicarr on May 23, 2018 16:14:26 GMT
Maybe reduce the connector width by 2/3? Two different sizes, one 1/3 of the full connector width, one 2/3. I think I prefer the 1/3 size myself. Incidentally having only one "Hammersmith" label feels weirder now, since the two blobs feel much more like separate stations. Edit: Also did Shepherd's Bush, in another different style
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Post by Antje on May 23, 2018 18:50:17 GMT
I would go for the White City/Wood Lane style.
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Post by Chris M on May 23, 2018 18:53:54 GMT
I would go for the White City/Wood Lane style. As would I
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Post by Dstock7080 on May 24, 2018 11:23:54 GMT
Subtle change to Heathrow Terminals 2&3. No longer ties in with train and platform destination displays which still include Terminal 1 (which closed many moons ago). Could confuse people. Heathrow name was changed on the maps from January 2016. Just found from internal source that station was officially renamed on 20 May 2018 to “Heathrow Terminals 2 & 3”, station signage to be updated ‘soon’.
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Post by silenthunter on May 24, 2018 12:22:19 GMT
Won't they need to rename that again at some point, as they're combining T1-T3 into a single terminal?
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