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Post by londoner on May 14, 2018 13:15:41 GMT
The new map has started to appear on some platforms:
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Post by crusty54 on May 14, 2018 16:08:43 GMT
Subtle change to Heathrow Terminals 2&3.
No longer ties in with train and platform destination displays which still include Terminal 1 (which closed many moons ago).
Could confuse people.
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Post by Dstock7080 on May 14, 2018 16:23:49 GMT
Subtle change to Heathrow Terminals 2&3. No longer ties in with train and platform destination displays which still include Terminal 1 (which closed many moons ago). Could confuse people. Heathrow name was changed on the maps from January 2016. |
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on May 14, 2018 16:42:44 GMT
Subtle change to Heathrow Terminals 2&3. No longer ties in with train and platform destination displays which still include Terminal 1 (which closed many moons ago). Could confuse people. Unless they were planning on going to Terminal 1, which would hopefully be unlikely, I think they'll be alright Crusty!  |
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Post by crusty54 on May 14, 2018 16:54:07 GMT
Subtle change to Heathrow Terminals 2&3. No longer ties in with train and platform destination displays which still include Terminal 1 (which closed many moons ago). Could confuse people. Unless they were planning on going to Terminal 1, which would hopefully be unlikely, I think they'll be alright Crusty! Of course the station friezes and roundels still include Terminal 1. It does create uncertainty amongst visitors on the platforms. (I do know having recently worked at the station in a hi vi.) |
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Post by AndrewPSSP on May 14, 2018 21:38:06 GMT
I wonder how much it would cost to get a blue sticker and cover the 1...
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Post by AndrewPSSP on May 14, 2018 22:35:24 GMT
Art on the Underground have announced that the new map will be distributed next week, and that this week will be the last opportunity to get the designs of Marc Camille Chaimowicz and Marianna Simmnet. The new designs will be by Geta Bratescu and Marie Jacotey.
I wonder how long the old ones will be around the network. Iirc I was still getting December 2016 maps from North Greenwich until about February.
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Post by MoreToJack on May 14, 2018 22:44:08 GMT
Art on the Underground have announced that the new map will be distributed next week, and that this week will be the last opportunity to get the designs of Marc Camille Chaimowicz and Marianna Simmnet. The new designs will be by Geta Bratescu and Marie Jacotey. I wonder how long the old ones will be around the network. Iirc I was still getting December 2016 maps from North Greenwich until about February. As always, stations are encouraged to exhaust existing stock before introducing new maps. If anyone wanted to get hold of the old maps and didn't manage it, please PM me and I can send you one (selected other designs also available). |
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Post by Deep Level on May 15, 2018 5:18:30 GMT
Why aren't the stations linked on the map? Also why has Terminal 4 been moved so far down and why is the Terminal 5 brand now dropping? Doesn't seem necessary to me.
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Post by norbitonflyer on May 15, 2018 6:54:34 GMT
Why aren't the stations linked on the map? Possibly because they are not linked in real life, and to emphasise that the dagger only applies to the HEx station? Also why has Terminal 4 been moved so far down To make space for the HEx line threading the gap? It also helps emphasise that passengers for T2/3 really, really, should not take a T4 train! and why is the Terminal 5 branch now dropping? Don't know, but maybe to make more space away from T2/3? Or it may be to make it easier to draw in the connection to T5 when services start running there. |
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Post by Dstock7080 on May 15, 2018 9:56:54 GMT
 - New Addington tram stop, name missing ! |
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Post by MoreToJack on May 15, 2018 10:18:56 GMT
I'm intrigued to see that there's no note regarding Heathrow fares. Whilst the services are in zone 6 for capping/Travelcard purposes they are not for single fares, with a greater fare (albeit still cheaper than currently) applying.
Maybe I'm over thinking it, but I can see single trip travellers getting caught out by this. Whilst anomalies do apply to various NR fares on Oyster, this is (I thibk) the first time such a discrepancy has appeared on a TfL map and the station in question hasn't been part of a specific fare zone (in before anyone says Watford Junction/Shenfield/the Trams.
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Post by brooklynbound on May 15, 2018 10:29:37 GMT
I'm intrigued to see that there's no note regarding Heathrow fares. Whilst the services are in zone 6 for capping/Travelcard purposes they are not for single fares, with a greater fare (albeit still cheaper than currently) applying. Maybe I'm over thinking it, but I can see single trip travellers getting caught out by this. Whilst anomalies do apply to various NR fares on Oyster, this is (I thibk) the first time such a discrepancy has appeared on a TfL map and the station in question hasn't been part of a specific fare zone (in before anyone says Watford Junction/Shenfield /the Trams. Have to agree that they have got this wrong. After all the map already shows Special Fares Apply at Shenfield. It's very clearly marked. So why not make it clear at Heathrow? The answer is obvious, TfL will make money out of less frequent travellers arriving at the airport. Welcome to London and all that... |
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Post by snoggle on May 15, 2018 11:28:25 GMT
I'm intrigued to see that there's no note regarding Heathrow fares. Whilst the services are in zone 6 for capping/Travelcard purposes they are not for single fares, with a greater fare (albeit still cheaper than currently) applying. Maybe I'm over thinking it, but I can see single trip travellers getting caught out by this. Whilst anomalies do apply to various NR fares on Oyster, this is (I thibk) the first time such a discrepancy has appeared on a TfL map and the station in question hasn't been part of a specific fare zone (in before anyone says Watford Junction/Shenfield /the Trams. No you're not overthinking it. I was looking at this and the new line diagrams yesterday and it really stuck out to me. I agree with you and Brooklynbound that TfL haven't got this right - it's inaccurate (being kind) for PAYG / single fare / single trip users. Being unkind it's borderful deceitful given how high the single fare into Heathrow will be. Clearly it does work for capping and Travelcard purposes but you have to wonder if 50% "correct" is acceptable. I suspect we may see a reaction from London Travelwatch and Assembly Members in due course. One other technical question is what positive PAYG balance you need on a card to enter at Heathrow (TfL Rail) stations. Normally it is the minimum fare that applies from that stn - so £1.50 in outer zone stns off peak and £2.40 in Zone 1. If the same principle applies then it's going to be something like £6 off peak (fare to Hayes & Harlington) which is pretty steep. |
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Post by rincew1nd on May 15, 2018 12:06:12 GMT
Why aren't the stations linked on the map? Presumably following the precedent of the Hammersmiths. |
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Post by Chris M on May 15, 2018 13:25:00 GMT
Between both Crossrail and LU stations at Heathrow is probably a longer walk than between the Hammersmiths - I did them the other day. From T(1)23 to Heathrow Central the journey includes two long travelators and then some more walking. At T4 you have to go up a level, walk the entire length of arrivals, and then back down a level.
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Post by Ben on May 15, 2018 18:22:10 GMT
Doesn't seem necessary to me. A comment you could apply to a lot of changes the map has seen since ~1990. |
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Post by phoenixcronin on May 15, 2018 19:38:09 GMT
I wonder how long the old ones will be around the network. Iirc I was still getting December 2016 maps from North Greenwich until about February. There is still some 92 stock with 2012 Olympic maps (with the Pink labels). Also, some Overground Class 378s have 2015 era tube maps |
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Post by snoggle on May 15, 2018 19:44:34 GMT
If we are also talking about other differences since the last tube map then there are two extra accessible stations - Bromley By Bow and Buckhurst Hill.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2018 7:52:13 GMT
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Post by goldenarrow on May 17, 2018 11:11:34 GMT
The CLD's, external destination indicators, DMI's and on train announcements still feature terminal 1. CLD's are only wholly updated when major works necessitate it such as long station closures or blockades as seen at Walthamstow hence why most lines use CLD's that are at least a couple of years old with stickers marking any changes in the interim. The 2012 olympics brought dedicated CLD's for most lines but since then, it's been relatively quite with regards to the Piccadilly's stations so not much of an incentive to change them till the start of TFL Rail to Heathrow. |
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Post by silenthunter on May 17, 2018 11:13:02 GMT
I wonder how long the old ones will be around the network. Iirc I was still getting December 2016 maps from North Greenwich until about February. There is still some 92 stock with 2012 Olympic maps (with the Pink labels). Also, some Overground Class 378s have 2015 era tube maps I've seen SWR trains showing Eurostar connections at Waterloo! Anyway, seen the new map on a 345 yesterday. |
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Post by Antje on May 17, 2018 11:23:55 GMT
We really need a new way to describe interchanges that require leaving one station entirely, like Archway to Upper Holloway. Even a dotted line between them would be good.
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Post by AndrewPSSP on May 17, 2018 13:38:08 GMT
Geoff has found the new map.
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Post by silenthunter on May 17, 2018 14:29:28 GMT
We really need a new way to describe interchanges that require leaving one station entirely, like Archway to Upper Holloway. Even a dotted line between them would be good. Or Shadwell DLR to Shadwell Overground. |
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Post by alicarr on May 17, 2018 16:05:02 GMT
We really need a new way to describe interchanges that require leaving one station entirely, like Archway to Upper Holloway. Even a dotted line between them would be good. Or Shadwell DLR to Shadwell Overground. Something like this, perhaps?  |
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Post by Chris M on May 17, 2018 16:13:01 GMT
We really need a new way to describe interchanges that require leaving one station entirely, like Archway to Upper Holloway. Even a dotted line between them would be good. Or Shadwell DLR to Shadwell Overground. Also: Bow Road to Bow Church Camden Town to Camden Road Canary Wharf Crossrail to Canary Wharf DLR, West India Quay and Poplar (and maybe Canary Wharf JLE) Canary Wharf JLE to Canary Wharf DLR and Heron Quays Clapham High Street to Clapham North Dangleway to North Greenwich Dangleway to Royal Victoria Edgware Road to Edgware Road Euston to Euston Square Forest Gate to Wanstead Park Hammersmith to Hammersmith Kentish Town to Kentish Town West Kenton to Northwick Park Leytonstone to Leytonstone High Road Queensway to Bayswater Seven Sisters to South Tottenham Tower Gateway to Tower Hill Walthamstow Central to Walsthamstow Queen's Road West Croydon Overground to West Croydon Tram West Hampstead ×3 White City to Wood Lane Woolwich Crossrail to Woolwich rearnal etc, etc, |
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Post by croxleyn on May 17, 2018 16:59:42 GMT
In reality, any Out-of-Station Interchange * could be shown, but this will get very busy... For those not familiar: TFL OSI Web Page<<rincew1nd: *Out of station Interchange - OSI>> |
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Post by norbitonflyer on May 17, 2018 17:04:19 GMT
And it could be very misleading - some OSIs are quite convenient, others are a very long trek. Where do you draw the line? ( So to speak)
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Post by rincew1nd on May 17, 2018 17:48:24 GMT
Surely you draw the line if it's not charged as an OSI?
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