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Post by brigham on May 1, 2018 8:02:22 GMT
I thought this was normal traincrew procedure?
<<superteacher: Post refers to use of emergency gap leads - moved from another thread.>>
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Post by aslefshrugged on May 1, 2018 8:44:16 GMT
I thought this was normal traincrew procedure? It isn't, Train Operators are not licensed (or trained) to use jumper cables. Duty Reliability Managers are but from listening to the radio chatter the "East End" DRM was at Woodford trying to get a train to Debden, whether they ever got to Epping I do not know
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Post by Dstock7080 on May 1, 2018 8:57:07 GMT
I thought this was normal traincrew procedure? As explained by aslefshrugged it has been many years since trainstaff were trained on railgap jumper leads, I’m sure we still were when D Stock were first introduced. More recently Depot overhead shed leads were the latest removal from trainstaff responsibly.
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Post by brigham on May 1, 2018 9:28:52 GMT
In other words, training has been withdrawn, to the detriment of operating flexibility. I wonder why? Not a money-saving measure, surely?
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Post by aslefshrugged on May 1, 2018 9:40:14 GMT
In other words, training has been withdrawn, to the detriment of operating flexibility. I wonder why? Not a money-saving measure, surely? I qualified as a Train Operator in 2003 and we weren't trained on jumper leads or overhead shed leads back then so its not something recent. I'll ask some of the older lags if they were ever trained/licenced. I think all Duty Manager Trains were trained and licenced for jumper leads but after the reorganisation back in 2010 (I think) it was just DRMs
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Post by North End on May 1, 2018 18:29:53 GMT
In other words, training has been withdrawn, to the detriment of operating flexibility. I wonder why? Not a money-saving measure, surely? I qualified as a Train Operator in 2003 and we weren't trained on jumper leads or overhead shed leads back then so its not something recent. I'll ask some of the older lags if they were ever trained/licenced. I think all Duty Manager Trains were trained and licenced for jumper leads but after the reorganisation back in 2010 (I think) it was just DRMs It was always a bit hit and miss even with DMTs, but it’s even more so now. Generally those who have done the training course keep it maintained via CDP. Some people manage to avoid it, in the same way some DRMs mysteriously manage to avoid stock training, in turn meaning they conveniently avoid the frighteningly awful risk of having to drive a train at or after an incident... It's all very well relying on others, however the NIRM and ERU are both not stock trained, hence examples of the lead being plugged into the wrong box, or the switch or box getting broken. In reality there probably wouldn't be a massive point in training train operators, as in most cases the train operator is required to be in the cab moving the train. It takes a certain kind of person to be able to set up the leads on their own *and* move the train, although it can be done (although strictly speaking two people are required for leads, for carrying them to site if nothing else). Having said that, the general rule is that the fewer people turn up the quicker a defective train is likely to be moving! Unfortunately this is precisely the opposite of LU's current thinking, with the LUCC being keen to send anyone and everyone. So you'll have 30-40 people all turning up at something simple -- in amongst that a few pointscorers trying to throw in their knowledge to get their name on a report somewhere, a few old timers who think 30 years equals knowing what they're doing and whose method of defect handling is to randomly punch every button and switch in the hope that somehow the train starts moving, and of course the NIRM trying to be the hero. Think of all this going on in a small cab, and all of the above either on the phone or radio to their governor. It can all be quite disconcerting for the poor train operator, who is normally used to their cab being an oasis of tranquility!
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Post by hobbayne on May 1, 2018 23:07:29 GMT
When I qualified as a driver back in 1990 we were shown how to use jumper leads. Of course, we had guards then to assist. Some station supervisors in this day and age refuse to go on the track because they dont know how to scotch and clip.
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Post by aslefshrugged on May 2, 2018 6:40:25 GMT
When I qualified as a driver back in 1990 we were shown how to use jumper leads. Of course, we had guards then to assist. Some station supervisors in this day and age refuse to go on the track because they dont know how to scotch and clip. There aren't any Station Supervisors, the grade was abolished and a large number took voluntary redundancy when LU "closed the ticket offices" in 2015. Before that there were 1771 Station Supervisor positons, they were replaced with 971 Customer Service Managers, ex-Station Supervisors or Duty Station Managers, either rostered at Section 12 stations or covering an "area" of open section stations. In the case of the top end of the Met you'd have one "mobile" CSM covering the five stations north of Rickmansworth while another covers the seven stations between North Harrow and Watford. The open section stations are run by Customer Service Supervisors who as far as I can ascertain are mostly ex-SAMFs with a bit of supervisor training, from what you say I guess that doesn't include scotching and clipping so you'd have to wait for the local CSM to show up.
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