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Post by goldenarrow on Apr 16, 2018 18:57:46 GMT
I've always wondered why on the NB run of the MET, why on train announcements always include, "All stations" beyond Harrow-on-the-Hill (for Uxbridge) and Moor Park (for Watford). I can understand the principle of keeping this on for Amersham/Chesham services whom share stops with Chiltern services some of which run non-stop in the peaks between Amersham and Marylebone. But since SB MET services ditch the extra info South of Finchley Rd, is it necessary to display this info NB beyond the aforementioned places? Thanks in advance, G.Arrow
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Post by flippyff on Apr 17, 2018 6:34:38 GMT
On this subject, why does the PIS at Kings Cross announce a west bound Met service as 'All stations' but then follow it with 'Calling at Finchley Road, Wembley Park'.... If its all stations why omit some?
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Post by crusty54 on Apr 17, 2018 7:09:00 GMT
On this subject, why does the PIS at Kings Cross announce a west bound Met service as 'All stations' but then follow it with 'Calling at Finchley Road, Wembley Park'.... If its all stations why omit some? to help people get the right train for their destination when they're not familiar with the Tube.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Apr 17, 2018 10:35:53 GMT
On this subject, why does the PIS at Kings Cross announce a west bound Met service as 'All stations' but then follow it with 'Calling at Finchley Road, Wembley Park'.... If its all stations why omit some? Finchley Road and Wembley Park are now the next two stations on the Met after Baker Street, but it was not always so. Since 1940 the stopping service has been supplied by the Bakerloo, and more recently the Jubilee. However, undertsand a few Met trains did serve some intermediate stations north of Finchley Road for some years (CULG suggests this happened as late as 2000), and this may be why trains which do not, although always in the vast majority, are identified. Such interworking is not now possible because of incompatible signalling systems. It is inconsistent if they omit Euston Square, GPS and Baker Street, although of course all trains do indeed call there. A similar situation exists on the Piccadilly which, certainly when I used it regularly, always displayed at Hammersmith and Acton Town "Not stopping at Ravenscourt Park, Stamford Brook, Turnham Green, Chiswick Park", except for the odd services which did. (Seeing "Turnham Green" not light up was always a welcome sight late at night)
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Post by piccboy on Apr 17, 2018 11:16:08 GMT
On this subject, why does the PIS at Kings Cross announce a west bound Met service as 'All stations' but then follow it with 'Calling at Finchley Road, Wembley Park'.... If its all stations why omit some? I thought this was because their are two stations between Finchley Road and Wembley that the Met does no longer stop at except exceptional circumstances. These stations are Willesden Green and Neasden. Mets have stopped at Willesden Green in the past when the Jubilee was part suspended for engineering work over a weekend. I was once "evacuated" from a train at Neasden on the southbound when the Met service was suspended due to an incident towards Baker St (Signal failure if memory serves me correct), but I am led to believe that this was an exception rather than a regular thing as the stairs from the Met platforms have been taken out of passenger use. Going back to the original comment, because the Met could still stop at Willesden Green, the PIS could say All stations, Finchley Road, Willesden Green, Wembley Park and this could be the reason why it is set up to mention Finchley Road and Wembley park. Also Wembley Park some trains stop at and some don't. but during Peak some fast and Semi fast services will stop there so it is a good thing for the PIS to mention if the train is stopping there or not for customers.
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Post by spsmiler on Apr 18, 2018 21:28:58 GMT
I think that nowadays even the fast and semi-fast northbound trains have the misfortune to be stopped at Wembley Park, whilst in the morning rush hour the fasts and semi-fasts continue to run through without stopping.
This seems to be part of a long-term reduction in stations skipped - in the 1990's all fasts and semi-fasts non-stopped this station and some fast trains also ran through Harrow On The Hill without stopping. The non-stop run Finchley Road - Moor Park journey was timetabled to take 19 minutes! Also in those days some BR trains called at Moor Park (none do 'today').
In years gone by fast trains also ran to Uxbridge and Watford. But in those days passengers to Uxbridge had a choice of transport provider and could also travel via the GWR / BR service to Uxbridge.
Simon
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Post by goldenarrow on Apr 19, 2018 15:37:46 GMT
There's only a solitary Northbound Semi-fast Uxbridge service timetabled on weekdays being the 19:46 from Aldgate (437).
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Post by t697 on Apr 19, 2018 16:18:54 GMT
I've always wondered why on the NB run of the MET, why on train announcements always include, "All stations" beyond Harrow-on-the-Hill (for Uxbridge) and Moor Park (for Watford). I can understand the principle of keeping this on for Amersham/Chesham services whom share stops with Chiltern services some of which run non-stop in the peaks between Amersham and Marylebone. But since SB MET services ditch the extra info South of Finchley Rd, is it necessary to display this info NB beyond the aforementioned places? Thanks in advance, G.Arrow When the S stock CIS was being schemed a fair bit of thought and consultation went into all this, including a look at 'best practice' by Met line 'A' stock drivers on the Public Address as well as practicalities of what could be done with the software system. It's never been widespread practice to mention 'All Stations' south of Finchley Road on SB trains, so S stock doesn't either. On the point about changing from Fast or Semi-fast to 'All Stations', we do that at the station from where the train will indeed stop at all stations. It was simplest to keep doing that for the rest of the trip. As on the other S stock lines, if the entire (timetabled including special services) trip can only credibly be 'all stations' the CIS doesn't mention stopping pattern at all. Two examples are the destination of Harrow-on-the-Hill with the train starting from Uxbridge or Watford. Slightly anomalously the return trip starting at Harrow and going to Uxbridge or Watford does say 'All Stations' because the CIS 'Trip' is actually the same code as if the train had started from Aldgate but the train picks up the sequence from where it starts on that route, in this case Harrow. Looking at the data again it wouldn't be that difficult to make it say 'All Stations' at Harrow or Moor Park as a NB train stops being Semi-fast or Fast respectively, then not mention it at subsequent stations. I seem to recall maybe it is the way it is to provide more reassurance to passengers unfamiliar with the Met line but who have heard it's a bit odd out there!
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Post by londonstuff on Apr 19, 2018 20:17:27 GMT
There's only a solitary Northbound Fast Uxbridge service timetabled on weekdays being the 19:46 from Aldgate (437). Is this basically just kept for route knowledge of drivers? (And the fact they've got a chunk of line there which needs to be maintained so they may as well use it or lose it?)
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Post by t697 on Apr 19, 2018 21:18:42 GMT
There's only a solitary Northbound Fast Uxbridge service timetabled on weekdays being the 19:46 from Aldgate (437). Is this basically just kept for route knowledge of drivers? (And the fact they've got a chunk of line there which needs to be maintained so they may as well use it or lose it?) I don't think that's it. Met line T/Ops do the whole line not just one branch and there are plenty of Northbound Fasts and Semi-fasts for the other branches in the evening peak. They all use the same tracks as far as Harrow and the route from platform 1 on to the Uxbridge branch avoiding the flyunder was removed about 50 years ago. Just a quirk of the current timetable. Strictly a limited stop Uxbridge service these days is a Semi-fast. Fast means a train non-stops some stations North of Harrow too. Nothing like that on the Uxbridge branch now. I've heard that years ago there were some that skipped West Harrow and maybe Rayners Lane. And there were certainly trains that non-stopped Harrow.
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Post by A60stock on Apr 19, 2018 23:55:35 GMT
did the a stock ever use that route avoiding the flyunder? DId the a stock also skip west harrow and rayners lane?
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Post by metman on Apr 21, 2018 11:41:28 GMT
I think it would have done briefly yes.
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Post by linus on Apr 21, 2018 12:23:22 GMT
Until at least the 1970s semi-fasts and fasts omitted Harrow on the Hill, and Uxbridge semi-fasts also omitted West Harrow. They never omitted Rayners Lane. So Fast Amershams & Cheshams ran non-stop Finchley Road - Moor Park, SF Watfords, Finchley Road - North Harrow, and SF Uxbridge, Finchley Road - Rayners Lane.
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