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Post by superteacher on Apr 13, 2018 7:04:04 GMT
It is becoming clear that the people who operate the Twitter feeds have little or no knowledge of the working railway. The other issue is that they don't get the correct information from TFL, and they keep regurgitating the same replies like a pre-programmed robot.
I do feel sorry for them, because they regularly get abuse on the feeds. I would never condone that, but you can see why people get frustrated when the information is just plain wrong.
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Post by crusty54 on Apr 13, 2018 7:57:06 GMT
It is becoming clear that the people who operate the Twitter feeds have little or no knowledge of the working railway. The other issue is that they don't get the correct information from TFL, and they keep regurgitating the same replies like a pre-programmed robot. I do feel sorry for them, because they regularly get abuse on the feeds. I would never condone that, but you can see why people get frustrated when the information is just plain wrong. The drive to reduce costs means that hundreds of staff with experience and knowledge have been paid off. Where replaced the lack of knowledge is apparent across the whole of TfL.
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Post by routew15 on Apr 13, 2018 17:04:54 GMT
It is becoming clear that the people who operate the Twitter feeds have little or no knowledge of the working railway. The other issue is that they don't get the correct information from TFL, and they keep regurgitating the same replies like a pre-programmed robot. I do feel sorry for them, because they regularly get abuse on the feeds. I would never condone that, but you can see why people get frustrated when the information is just plain wrong. Glad you brough up this topic as the emotions expressed on twitter by the travelling public is something that has really intrigued me recently. Of the few services i follow TfL Rail has a lot of berated passengers tweeting to them. for example recently they tweeted about a bench and responses they received were interesting; Personally speaking i dont air my frustrations on social media, however this gem of ridiculousness required a response from me: I didn’t really get the rationale on keeping minor delays an unexpected surprise. Not sure what benefit this has if passengers cannot plan ahead to make alternative journeys instead of cramming onto busy platforms.
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Post by will on Apr 13, 2018 18:41:18 GMT
It is becoming clear that the people who operate the Twitter feeds have little or no knowledge of the working railway. The other issue is that they don't get the correct information from TFL, and they keep regurgitating the same replies like a pre-programmed robot. I do feel sorry for them, because they regularly get abuse on the feeds. I would never condone that, but you can see why people get frustrated when the information is just plain wrong. Glad you brough up this topic as the emotions expressed on twitter by the travelling public is something that has really intrigued me recently. Of the few services i follow TfL Rail has a lot of berated passengers tweeting to them. for example recently they tweeted about a bench and responses they received were interesting; Personally speaking i dont air my frustrations on social media, however this gem of ridiculousness required a response from me: I didn’t really get the rationale on keeping minor delays an unexpected surprise. Not sure what benefit this has if passengers cannot plan ahead to make alternative journeys instead of cramming onto busy platforms. It seems that may be TFL's objective. They used to highlight minor delays on the interactive map on their website but since the new site was introduced only "major" disruption is highlighted.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2018 22:05:08 GMT
I often find myself and others trying to calm the wrath of an angry commuter on twitter who's been hit by delays by explaining to them the actual problem, why it may take so long to recover and politely (admittedly sometimes a bit aggressively) reminding them how fortunate they are to be in London in terms of transport and reminding them that things can't always work perfectly. I've had an increasing amount of "thanks for giving more info than TFL seem capable of", it's getting a bit pathetic. I always thought TFL were quite good with communicating with passengers but they've gotten far worse.
On a similar note, last week I witnessed a man call a 3 minute delay on the overground "an absolute shambles and mockery of the British rail system". I thought he was being sarcastic but on further conversation, he was being dead serious. All London Overgrounds Twitter account could reply with was a link to a refunds page but I can understand why they wouldn't waste their time on someone like that.
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Post by superteacher on Apr 13, 2018 22:30:54 GMT
Yes, you get lots of bigoted people on there who have no clue what they are on about. The ones that annoy me are those that can’t be bothered to read the service update, and just tweet about their own particular journey.
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Post by snoggle on Apr 13, 2018 22:46:06 GMT
I often find myself and others trying to calm the wrath of an angry commuter on twitter who's been hit by delays by explaining to them the actual problem, why it may take so long to recover and politely (admittedly sometimes a bit aggressively) reminding them how fortunate they are to be in London in terms of transport and reminding them that things can't always work perfectly. I've had an increasing amount of "thanks for giving more info than TFL seem capable of", it's getting a bit pathetic. I always thought TFL were quite good with communicating with passengers but they've gotten far worse. On a similar note, last week I witnessed a man call a 3 minute delay on the overground "an absolute shambles and mockery of the British rail system". I thought he was being sarcastic but on further conversation, he was being dead serious. All London Overgrounds Twitter account could reply with was a link to a refunds page but I can understand why they wouldn't waste their time on someone like that. While I take your point about the 3 minute delay the bit that people don't consider is that rightly or wrongly a fair proportion of passengers work on very narrow time margins to get to places or to make connections. If you are used to a train service habitually running on time then you will (a) notice and (b) possibly be narked if it starts running late. Yes things go wrong but if your day to day experience is that they do NOT then people notice very quickly. I used to be like "Mr 3 minute delay" at times because I wanted to make connections to bus services and the Vic Line in those days was forever having pregnant pauses at Seven Sisters or deciding at the last minute the train would terminate there rather than run to Walthamstow. Thankfully I no longer commute and I tend to allow more time so am far less stressed out about journeys. On the more general issue then the loss of knowledge and experience at TfL is evident all over. The poor souls lumbered with the social media work have a thankless task but they are also lacking in support resources, up to date information and basic knowledge. I pointed out earlier this week an error in the "poster" about the early finish / late start on the Vic Line due to emergency engineering work. Some of the bus info was incorrect - I tweeted TfL. No acknowledgement, no correction, nothing but repeated tweets with the wrong information. If you can't be bothered / are not able to take on board genuinely helpful feedback then your organisation is in a mess. I wonder why I even bothered. Finally it is worth noting that City Hall strictly control what TfL is allowed to say. Note the lack of press releases compared to past Mayoral regimes (regardless of the fact we are in purdah at the moment due to the impending local elections). This whole thing about not publicising minor delays or explaining in any great detail what is actually wrong is all part and parcel of a "we don't want any bad news" culture that starts from the large glass building at Tower Bridge and stretches right through TfL. It's a bit ridiculous tweeting about new seats on TfL Rail stations as some great achievement when anyone paying an ounce of attention will know Crossrail faces the most challenging 8 months in its history and there is an absoulte shed load of things that can go (and have gone) wrong before we reach December this year. Mayor Khan really does not like bad news or anything that casts him a bad light. We can all argue about the efficacy or otherwise of Ken Livingstone and Boris Johnson but both had egos large enough to be able to take the rough with the smooth in their own inimitable fashions. I don't see the same "ease" with the current Mayor. You'll notice that the Met Police are similarly "sat upon" by City Hall - the new Commissioner has a ridiculously low public profile when you consider what is going on.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 2:12:32 GMT
A really good point raised. I understand that TFL need to stay proffesional but City Hall need to put customer service first. I know I certainly would prefer to get a straight up "we currently don't know the cause of delay, please understand it can be difficult to spread information to thousands of people in a short amount of time" rather than some irrelevant, irritating "our team are working hard to resolve the situation".
As for displaying correct information, TFL are clearly getting worse at that too and that can have a real effect on a person's journey planning. My nearest tube station's status update screen was broken for the past week and all staff could do was put up a hand drawn "good service on all lines" poster even when the only line that stopped at the station had severe delays. I once witnessed a TFL member of staff at London Bridge directing a lost travveler heading to Lewisham to get the Northern line and change for the DLR. I quickly interrupted and directed him upstairs to catch a southeastern service 1 stop.
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Post by crusty54 on Apr 14, 2018 4:27:50 GMT
There have always been problems with interpreting problems and giving sensible information.
Trains may be delayed and out of position without affecting the perceived service. In the past you would hear announcements that there are delays to the service when a passenger would be getting on a train with no obvious delay.
I regularly do surveys on platforms and have to wear a hi vi. I am often asked for advice even when I'm standing next to a uniformed member of staff.
They have access to information that I don't.
To take Ethan's example. It is possible that was a problem with the London Bridge - Lewisham service (not an infrequent event) and the traveller was seeking an alternative route.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Apr 14, 2018 7:09:31 GMT
I once witnessed a TFL member of staff at London Bridge directing a lost travveler heading to Lewisham to get the Northern line and change for the DLR. This is nothing new - I recall, back in the day when there was an LT travel centre at Victoria station, seeing a visitor directed to Hampton Court by taking the District Line to Richmond and then the 267 bus! The notion that there might actually be a station rather less than five miles away from Hampton Court Palace simply hadn't occurred to the LT man behind the desk, despite the travel centre being actually on the concourse of the British Rail station. But even on TfL's own services I've seen them get it wrong - once when the Piccadilly Line wasn't working, passengers at Holborn were being advised to change at Tottenham Court Road for Kings Cross.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 11:15:32 GMT
To take Ethan's example. It is possible that was a problem with the London Bridge - Lewisham service (not an infrequent event) and the traveller was seeking an alternative route. Hope I didn't direct him to a cancelled service
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Post by superteacher on Apr 14, 2018 11:19:54 GMT
To take Ethan's example. It is possible that was a problem with the London Bridge - Lewisham service (not an infrequent event) and the traveller was seeking an alternative route. Hope I didn't direct him to a cancelled service Oops! That's always the danger of intervening! I often help people who look lost, usually tourists who are turfed off a train during engineering works but I'm always careful to know which other lines are closed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 20:37:29 GMT
Exactly, I always feel good helping confused travellers. I don't really think of closures when travelling and it's not too rare for me to turn up to a station and find it closed and I really hope I haven't put any advise seekers in that position.
Is TFLs 'bot thing' still a thing? Do people find it more useful than Twitter updates, I've never tried it. I may even be hallucinating about the bot even being a thing.
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Post by Chris M on Apr 14, 2018 22:44:16 GMT
The facebook messenger bot is still a thing, and I've found it useful for bus information as that's tricky to search for on twitter and the interface on the website is clunky.
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Post by sunnyday on Apr 16, 2018 15:56:54 GMT
You may have noticed the TfL Rail twitter feed becoming a bit more interactive/responsive since Easter due to a trial where they are located in the ROC and Romford near the control team. They also did a survey recently asking what improvements would be made to the TfL Rail feed.
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Post by superteacher on Apr 16, 2018 21:33:55 GMT
You may have noticed the TfL Rail twitter feed becoming a bit more interactive/responsive since Easter due to a trial where they are located in the ROC and Romford near the control team. They also did a survey recently asking what improvements would be made to the TfL Rail feed. Seems like a good idea.
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Post by MoreToJack on Apr 17, 2018 0:30:53 GMT
You may have noticed the TfL Rail twitter feed becoming a bit more interactive/responsive since Easter due to a trial where they are located in the ROC and Romford near the control team. They also did a survey recently asking what improvements would be made to the TfL Rail feed. Seems like a good idea. Just a return to the status quo before TfL took over the route from Greater Anglia. Hopefully the same happens with the West Anglia Overground routes, which also aren't suited to Tube-style status updates. One day common sense will prevail and the line-based feeds will be handed over to the line-based control rooms. We already have Line Information Specialists who specialise in cascading information regarding a line, so why can't they also look after the feed for their line? Who knows...
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