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Post by rincew1nd on Mar 27, 2018 19:01:45 GMT
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Post by aslefshrugged on Mar 28, 2018 0:52:34 GMT
SERCO ran DLR for 17 years with a few strike ballots although no actual strike that I can remember but this will be the second strike since Keolis/Amey took over in December 2014. The good news is the franchise only runs until 2021, hopefully they can get SERCO back!
BTW originally DLR management invited the electricians union EETPU (the union that supported Rupert Murdoch during the Wapping dispute) to represent its staff but it soon became clear that they had no experience of transport issues and the staff voted to have RMT recognised
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Post by superteacher on Mar 28, 2018 7:27:58 GMT
Limited service in operation:
Docklands Light Railway: Due to strike action the service is only operating between LONDON CITY AIRPORT and CANNING TOWN and between BECKTON and POPLAR there is no service on the rest of the line. Your tickets will be accepted on the local buses and the Underground and Overground.
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Post by rincew1nd on Mar 28, 2018 11:48:18 GMT
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Post by paulsw2 on Mar 28, 2018 12:29:14 GMT
One thing I notice is that the tfl website says "reduced service" slightly misleading I think as there is two trains running
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Post by superteacher on Mar 28, 2018 12:34:09 GMT
Service due to finish at 4.
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Post by Chris M on Mar 28, 2018 12:49:41 GMT
SERCO ran DLR for 17 years with a few strike ballots although no actual strike that I can remember but this will be the second strike since Keolis/Amey took over in December 2014. The good news is the franchise only runs until 2021, hopefully they can get SERCO back! While there may not have been strikes under SERCO I can certainly remember several instances of industrial action causing significant disruption on 2-3 occasions when I was at UEL 2010-13. I understand that, towards the end at least, industrial relations with Serco were in an appalling state so it was probably lucky for their reputation they lost the franchise when they did. |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Mar 28, 2018 12:54:27 GMT
They'd need time to stable the train at Poplar or Beckton then fit the 12 hour rest period before they book on again tomorrow morning
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2018 0:44:05 GMT
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Post by superteacher on Apr 1, 2018 6:30:59 GMT
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Post by Chris M on Apr 1, 2018 9:08:04 GMT
We at the London Bus Company provided additional services on the 277 And the free rides on vintage buses from outside our front door were very much appreciated! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2018 14:32:40 GMT
We at the London Bus Company provided additional services on the 277 And the free rides on vintage buses from outside our front door were very much appreciated! You're very welcome! All part of the service! Haha |
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Post by superteacher on Apr 1, 2018 15:03:31 GMT
On a slightly off topic note, @3550george do you know when are we going to have another vintage bus runnnig day in London? The last major one was in the Romford area in 2015.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2018 20:08:18 GMT
On a slightly off topic note, @3550george do you know when are we going to have another vintage bus runnnig day in London? The last major one was in the Romford area in 2015. Actually, last year there was a London Running Day, with vintage buses on a few routes in Central London. But unfortunately I don't know when the next one will be! |
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Post by countryman on Apr 1, 2018 21:08:13 GMT
On a slightly off topic note, @3550george do you know when are we going to have another vintage bus runnnig day in London? The last major one was in the Romford area in 2015. Actually, last year there was a London Running Day, with vintage buses on a few routes in Central London. But unfortunately I don't know when the next one will be! There have been 4 in recent years, one on the 22 for the 75th Anniversary of the Rt, 2 on the 11s, and one on 159s. Dates tend to be announced only a short while before the events. (sorry, admins, for being off topic) |
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Post by rincew1nd on Apr 1, 2018 22:49:20 GMT
One of the very first Christmas socials I attended co-incided with some kind of running day in London. I remember dearly departed SE13 would keep pausing mid drink to watch an old bus trundle past the pub. |
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Post by sudburytown on Apr 17, 2018 19:20:44 GMT
TfL status updates for the coming weekend mention a potential total suspension of the DLR for a 4 day period from Friday to Monday:
DLR STRIKE ACTION: The RMT union has announced strike action affecting the Docklands Light Railway (DLR). Talks are ongoing to resolve this dispute. If the strike goes ahead there are unlikely to be any DLR services on Friday 20, Saturday 21, Sunday 22 and Monday 23 April. Services may also be affected as they resume on the morning of Tuesday 24 April. Enhanced bus services will operate on key routes along the DLR network. All other TfL services will operate as normal.
The London Marathon takes place on Sunday and the DLR is usually full of hot sweaty bodies (ooh-err missus!) before and after the event. Does anyone have any idea what the dispute is about and whether or not its likely to go ahead? I'm involved in the course-side entertainment every year and short hops on the DLR are extremely useful during the event.
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Post by crusty54 on Apr 17, 2018 19:28:58 GMT
Disgraceful on the part of the RMT to use the London Marathon as a bargaining tool.
The DLR plays a major role in getting runners to Greenwich Park as well as moving spectators.
It also means that the DLR can't be replaced by buses as the roads are closed.
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Post by MoreToJack on Apr 17, 2018 20:10:26 GMT
Disgraceful on the part of the RMT to use the London Marathon as a bargaining tool. I mean, not really. That's literally the entire point of a strike. If they don't cause disruption then people won't listen. As is regularly seen with Tube strikes, meaningful talks from the company will generally lead to a postponement. If progress isn't made, then the blame is firmly at the door of DLR. All that said, I thought automation DLR style meant the end of strikes?! 😂 |
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Post by jimini on Apr 17, 2018 21:25:45 GMT
Disgraceful on the part of the RMT to use the London Marathon as a bargaining tool. I mean, not really. That's literally the entire point of a strike. If they don't cause disruption then people won't listen. As is regularly seen with Tube strikes, meaningful talks from the company will generally lead to a postponement. If progress isn't made, then the blame is firmly at the door of DLR. All that said, I thought automation DLR style meant the end of strikes?! 😂 Disrupting thousands of runners, most of whom are raising circa £2,500 each in charity donations? Yep, great way to make your point. I don't work in Canary Wharf these days (my company left in 2012), but to target what is mostly a charity marathon - the very livelihood of a lot of said charities - is nothing short of abysmal. It's the biggest earner of the year for so many charities. Not sure my conscience could cope with that. Imagine if some of those various charities folded because of a lack of investment? Wouldn't want that on my conscience. Strike when E14 is busy - fine - that's most working days. But don't do it when everyone's trying to raise so, so much money for such a vast array of charities. No apologies for coming across as anti-union in this instance. Indefensible for me. -Jim. |
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Post by MoreToJack on Apr 17, 2018 21:34:49 GMT
I mean, not really. That's literally the entire point of a strike. If they don't cause disruption then people won't listen. As is regularly seen with Tube strikes, meaningful talks from the company will generally lead to a postponement. If progress isn't made, then the blame is firmly at the door of DLR. All that said, I thought automation DLR style meant the end of strikes?! 😂 Disrupting thousands of runners, most of whom are raising circa £2,500 each in charity donations? Yep, great way to make your point. I don't work in Canary Wharf these days (my company left in 2012), but to target what is mostly a charity marathon - the very livelihood of a lot of said charities - is nothing short of abysmal. It's the biggest earner of the year for so many charities. Not sure my conscience could cope with that. Imagine if some of those various charities folded because of a lack of investment? Wouldn't want that on my conscience. Strike when E14 is busy - fine - that's most working days. But don't do it when everyone's trying to raise so, so much money for such a vast array of charities. No apologies for coming across as anti-union in this instance. Indefensible for me. -Jim. None of that is the problem of the workers on the front line. People's livelihoods are just as important as charitable causes. Besides, there's plenty of other transport options both to and from the start/finish line, so this will primarily disrupt spectators rather than runners. I doubt you'll get much sympathy for your viewpoint. Again: this is literally the entire point of a strike. Maybe write a strongly worded letter to the DLR advising them to listen to the concerns of their staff? |
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Post by Chris M on Apr 17, 2018 21:40:18 GMT
The RMT want the managers to come to the negotiating table with meaningful proposals and a willingness to discuss concerns in a meaningful way. The first strike, targeted at ordinary working days in the city and Canary Wharf didn't achieve that objective so why do you think doing it again will work?
I very strongly suspect that the RMT expect/expected TfL/DLR/Keolis-Amey to blink first when it comes to the London Marathon - it is the biggest sporting event of the year in east London. If the managers are not prepared to negotiate in a meaningful fashion then they have only themselves to blame for the disruption.
As a resident of the Isle of Dogs these strikes will inconvenience me, but I support the union - even though I have no idea whether what they want to achieve is justified or practical, if the company will not negotiate in good faith then the workers have little option but to strike.
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Post by crusty54 on Apr 17, 2018 22:28:46 GMT
Disrupting thousands of runners, most of whom are raising circa £2,500 each in charity donations? Yep, great way to make your point. I don't work in Canary Wharf these days (my company left in 2012), but to target what is mostly a charity marathon - the very livelihood of a lot of said charities - is nothing short of abysmal. It's the biggest earner of the year for so many charities. Not sure my conscience could cope with that. Imagine if some of those various charities folded because of a lack of investment? Wouldn't want that on my conscience. Strike when E14 is busy - fine - that's most working days. But don't do it when everyone's trying to raise so, so much money for such a vast array of charities. No apologies for coming across as anti-union in this instance. Indefensible for me. -Jim. None of that is the problem of the workers on the front line. People's livelihoods are just as important as charitable causes. Besides, there's plenty of other transport options both to and from the start/finish line, so this will primarily disrupt spectators rather than runners. I doubt you'll get much sympathy for your viewpoint. Again: this is literally the entire point of a strike. Maybe write a strongly worded letter to the DLR advising them to listen to the concerns of their staff? Sorry there are not plenty of options where hotels have deliberately been booked near the DLR in East London. In case you haven't noticed a lot more DLR trains are scheduled to run to Greenwich for the event. Shuttles operate on the sections. With respect the RMT need public support (if they have a good case) - this is not the way to get it. |
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Post by MoreToJack on Apr 17, 2018 22:40:59 GMT
None of that is the problem of the workers on the front line. People's livelihoods are just as important as charitable causes. Besides, there's plenty of other transport options both to and from the start/finish line, so this will primarily disrupt spectators rather than runners. I doubt you'll get much sympathy for your viewpoint. Again: this is literally the entire point of a strike. Maybe write a strongly worded letter to the DLR advising them to listen to the concerns of their staff? Sorry there are not plenty of options where hotels have deliberately been booked near the DLR in East London. In case you haven't noticed a lot more DLR trains are scheduled to run to Greenwich for the event. Shuttles operate on the sections. With respect the RMT need public support (if they have a good case) - this is not the way to get it. I mean, again, this is the entire point of strikes. History shows that they do not need the public support to be successful, especially when it's clear that it is management who are not engaging. |
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Post by superteacher on Apr 18, 2018 8:50:09 GMT
Clearly the union feel the need to bring their grievances to the attention of as many people as possible. Whilst the intention is not to inconvenience, it is an unfortunate consequence of the strike action.
There would be absolutely no point in organising action that is not newsworthy. Hopefully, this will put pressure on the management to get around the table, which is what the union wants. I'm quite sure that the RMT members would rather not lose several days pay as a result of the action.
<<Two separate strike threads have been merged into this one.>>
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Post by John Tuthill on Apr 18, 2018 9:05:03 GMT
Clearly the union feel the need to bring their grievances to the attention of as many people as possible. Whilst the intention is not to inconvenience, it is an unfortunate consequence of the strike action. There would be absolutely no point in organising action that is not newsworthy. Hopefully, this will put pressure on the management to get around the table, which is what the union wants. I'm quite sure that the RMT members would rather not lose several days pay as a result of the action. <<Two separate strike threads have been merged into this one.>>I couldn't agree with you more, but as always it's the passengers who suffer in the end. I don't know how you can kill off this "we're the management, you're the workers" attitude. When I was a service manager many years ago, the chap who I replaced, he was retiring, took me to one side and said: "John, always remember with power comes rsponsibility" something I never forgot. |
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Post by superteacher on Apr 18, 2018 9:10:01 GMT
Clearly the union feel the need to bring their grievances to the attention of as many people as possible. Whilst the intention is not to inconvenience, it is an unfortunate consequence of the strike action. There would be absolutely no point in organising action that is not newsworthy. Hopefully, this will put pressure on the management to get around the table, which is what the union wants. I'm quite sure that the RMT members would rather not lose several days pay as a result of the action. <<Two separate strike threads have been merged into this one.>>I don't know how you can kill off this "we're the management, you're the workers" attitude. Totally agree with you. But it seems to have always been like that. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Apr 18, 2018 11:50:44 GMT
I don't know how you can kill off this "we're the management, you're the workers" attitude. Totally agree with you. But it seems to have always been like that. The "Them & Us" attitude is not unique to the rail industry. As a safety manager in another industry, it was my father's job to ensure safety requirements were adhered to, which meant ensuring the workforce knew the rules and in particular when a task couldn't be done because some safety issue needed fixing first. This was seen by some of his management colleagues as somehow helping the staff get one over on the management rather than, as he saw it, keeping the staff safe and, in the process, ensuring the management avoided prosecution. |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Apr 18, 2018 15:36:59 GMT
None of that is the problem of the workers on the front line. People's livelihoods are just as important as charitable causes. Besides, there's plenty of other transport options both to and from the start/finish line, so this will primarily disrupt spectators rather than runners. I doubt you'll get much sympathy for your viewpoint. Again: this is literally the entire point of a strike. Maybe write a strongly worded letter to the DLR advising them to listen to the concerns of their staff? Sorry there are not plenty of options where hotels have deliberately been booked near the DLR in East London. In case you haven't noticed a lot more DLR trains are scheduled to run to Greenwich for the event. Shuttles operate on the sections. With respect the RMT need public support (if they have a good case) - this is not the way to get it. Why do RMT need public support? How would public support get Keolis Amey to negotiate? The only way the public could support RMT would be to boycott the DLR but that isn't going to happen and anyway the fares revenue goes to TfL not the DLR. The Mayor and the GLA aren't going to worry because they've still got two years to go until re-election when this will mostly be forgotten.
The union would like to have the public on their side but they don't NEED them and with the media stacked against them they are unlikely to get it
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Post by superteacher on Apr 19, 2018 18:33:36 GMT
Strike has been suspended.
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