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Post by countryman on Jan 29, 2018 8:03:17 GMT
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Post by trt on Jan 29, 2018 10:25:01 GMT
I'll almost always not board a train if the only place to stand is next to the drop window in the car-end door. Some muppet will ALWAYS open it for ventilation; it's deafening, and leaves me in agony for at least half-an-hour after. Usually triggers a migraine you see.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jan 29, 2018 11:56:39 GMT
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Post by trt on Jan 29, 2018 13:22:26 GMT
I particularly like Dr Joe Sollini's quote which effectively implies that the Tube ISN'T a workplace.
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Post by North End on Jan 29, 2018 13:45:44 GMT
I'll almost always not board a train if the only place to stand is next to the drop window in the car-end door. Some muppet will ALWAYS open it for ventilation; it's deafening, and leaves me in agony for at least half-an-hour after. Usually triggers a migraine you see. ... which is a bane for everyone, as on most trains the end droplights are the only really good source of ventilation. Closing them on a packed train means there’s more of a chance of people falling ill, which in turn delays the service. LU actually has announcement scripts asking people to *open* the windows. Earplugs or not standing near the windows are a better solution. |
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Post by trt on Jan 29, 2018 14:01:32 GMT
I'll almost always not board a train if the only place to stand is next to the drop window in the car-end door. Some muppet will ALWAYS open it for ventilation; it's deafening, and leaves me in agony for at least half-an-hour after. Usually triggers a migraine you see. ... which is a bane for everyone, as on most trains the end droplights are the only really good source of ventilation. Closing them on a packed train means there’s more of a chance of people falling ill, which in turn delays the service. LU actually has announcement scripts asking people to *open* the windows. Earplugs or not standing near the windows are a better solution. My best solution is not getting on if I can't move down the carriage away from it! |
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Post by Chris M on Jan 29, 2018 14:13:14 GMT
I particularly like Dr Joe Sollini's quote which effectively implies that the Tube ISN'T a workplace. For passengers, who are clearly the context of his comment, this is correct. Obviously it is a workplace for operational staff and appropriate mitigation measures are in place for those who need it, but this varies depending on the location and role* so is far too complicated to summarise in a short news report where it's not really relevant to most people reading it anyway. *e.g. station staff at Bank are limited in the amount of time they spend on the Central line platforms, drivers can choose to wear ear defenders if they choose (as long as they can still hear the radio I presume). etc, but I'd be surprised if noise was an issue for say station staff at Theydon Bois or those based in a modern control room which will generally be a fairly office-like environment. |
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Post by trt on Jan 29, 2018 14:32:32 GMT
I particularly like Dr Joe Sollini's quote which effectively implies that the Tube ISN'T a workplace. For passengers, who are clearly the context of his comment, this is correct. Obviously it is a workplace for operational staff and appropriate mitigation measures are in place for those who need it, but this varies depending on the location and role* so is far too complicated to summarise in a short news report where it's not really relevant to most people reading it anyway. *e.g. station staff at Bank are limited in the amount of time they spend on the Central line platforms, drivers can choose to wear ear defenders if they choose (as long as they can still hear the radio I presume). etc, but I'd be surprised if noise was an issue for say station staff at Theydon Bois or those based in a modern control room which will generally be a fairly office-like environment. I understand that. It's merely that there are so many things that people take for granted without stopping to consider that their service IS someone's workplace, that a gentle reminder every now and again doesn't go amiss. For example road works on the motorway: "My daddy works here. Please drive carefully so he comes home tonight." Having said that, TfL have run a campaign like that over staff abuse, although currently they've developed an obsession with escalator safety, it seems. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 17:34:12 GMT
It honestly dosent bother me too much although I'm sure I'm not immune to the long term effects. What can actually be done about it though?
I was once heading north from baker Street on the jubilee line and these lovely seeming tourists from Australia remarked "you're a true Londoner if you can get through that without even taking any notice" it made a few people around laugh.
Do other metros around the world not have the same problem? Is it caused because of the small bore our tunnels were built to?
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Post by Deep Level on Jan 29, 2018 17:39:32 GMT
Am I the only person who always gets on a Central Line train during rush hour at the front of a car so that I can benefit from the ventilation? If its possible I would normally stand in front of it for maximum benefit! I actually get frustrated (although I keep it to myself) at people who close the window on warm days!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 17:42:23 GMT
Am I the only person who always gets on a Central Line train during rush hour at the front of a car so that I can benefit from the ventilation? If its possible I would normally stand in front of it for maximum benefit! I actually get frustrated (although I keep it to myself) at people who close the window on warm days! Your really not, I do too. I especially hate if the window is closed in the front or back carriage because there is only one window to allow ventilation. Another question, do those ventilation vents above the seats even work? |
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Post by North End on Jan 29, 2018 17:52:50 GMT
Another question, do those ventilation vents above the seats even work? They certainly do on 72 & 73 stock. On the 95 stock they are dummy, I'm not sure if there's any connection to the outside world (I don't think there is) but the sliders definitely don't do anything. The ventilation on the 95 stock is entirely based on the forced heat/vent system and the car end windows. I remember once having a handle pulled down on a 95 stock when two people had a squabble over the position of one of the vent sliders. Both were suitable humiliated when it was pointed out that the slider is completely dummy. |
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Post by superteacher on Jan 29, 2018 19:04:58 GMT
The noise does seem to have got worse in recent years.
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Post by goldenarrow on Jan 29, 2018 19:43:01 GMT
Id say that noise has been reduced on the tracks of the Jubilee line Extension, post 2012 the number of times that sounds such as this occur has been in decline. Previously the train would howl and screech all the way along the WB JLE where as now it's been confined to a few areas notably just after Canary Wharf WB and after Westminster WB although the latter is dependant on the train accelerating to full line speed. Now of course there's the addition of those infamous growlings on the SB approach/ NB departure at Baker Street which can be heard all the way up to the circulating area under the Met line platforms. |
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Post by countryman on Jan 29, 2018 19:43:05 GMT
Everyone seems to be concentrating on noise from the ventilation and end door windows. Is this not a case of rail noise?
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Post by North End on Jan 29, 2018 20:38:11 GMT
Everyone seems to be concentrating on noise from the ventilation and end door windows. Is this not a case of rail noise? Yes I think you’re right. First of all there is a lot of rail grinding on LU nowadays which produces its own set of noises. Secondly speeds are sometimes higher now than in the past. But it does seem that some curves have been re-railed in the last couple of years, I’m no expert on this but it does seem vibration has been reduced but at the cost of more noise. This latter change seems to have coincided with Night Tube, and it’s noticeable that many of the listed sections contain such curves. |
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Post by trt on Jan 29, 2018 21:42:02 GMT
It's really bad on the Northern Line around Bank, and the reason I brought up the ventilation in the first place was because with the windows closed, the noise from the tunnel is drastically reduced inside the car.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 21:53:17 GMT
Id say that noise has been reduced on the tracks of the Jubilee line Extension, post 2012 the number of times that sounds such as this occur has been in decline. Previously the train would howl and screech all the way along the WB JLE where as now it's been confined to a few areas notably just after Canary Wharf WB and after Westminster WB although the latter is dependant on the train accelerating to full line speed. Now of course there's the addition of those infamous growlings on the SB approach/ NB departure at Baker Street which can be heard all the way up to the circulating area under the Met line platforms. They did install a rubber pad between the rail and it’s rail chair to try and dampen down the noise experience from the concrete slab |
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Post by goldenarrow on Jan 29, 2018 21:57:10 GMT
Id say that noise has been reduced on the tracks of the Jubilee line Extension, post 2012 the number of times that sounds such as this occur has been in decline. Previously the train would howl and screech all the way along the WB JLE where as now it's been confined to a few areas notably just after Canary Wharf WB and after Westminster WB although the latter is dependant on the train accelerating to full line speed. Now of course there's the addition of those infamous growlings on the SB approach/ NB departure at Baker Street which can be heard all the way up to the circulating area under the Met line platforms. They did install a rubber pad between the rail and it’s rail chair to try and dampen down the noise experience from the concrete slab Is that for the Jubilee line Extension tracks only, the tracks and points at Baker Street look pretty worn out (bull head possibly?). |
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Post by dm1 on Jan 29, 2018 22:36:32 GMT
Do other metros around the world not have the same problem? Is it caused because of the small bore our tunnels were built to? They very much do - and has little to do with bore size (at least inherently). The older stock on the Moscow Metro was (and is) notorious for being extremely loud, largely due to windows being open and very loud DC motors. Newer stock is air conditioned without opening windows, so is quieter, but has high pitched noise from AC motors instead, particularly noticeable when braking. The noise in stations is loud enough, but in tunnels it is even louder. Consistently at Jubilee Line at Baker Street levels of loudness. The best form of mitigation is of course stock without opening windows, accompanied by air conditioning. The tunnel size on the tube lines does not prevent the former, but does make the latter very challenging. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2018 0:42:46 GMT
They did install a rubber pad between the rail and it’s rail chair to try and dampen down the noise experience from the concrete slab Is that for the Jubilee line Extension tracks only, the tracks and points at Baker Street look pretty worn out (bull head possibly?). Correct on both counts |
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Post by philthetube on Jan 30, 2018 3:29:10 GMT
Speed must be part of the issue, with the 59 stock bank branch was limited to 30mph, it feels much faster now.
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Post by croxleyn on Jan 30, 2018 18:40:13 GMT
S Stock air conditioning can't be said to be quiet, and it never stops! The old A-stocks, once the noisy compressors had shut off, were far quieter, at least out of tunnels.
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Post by superteacher on Jan 30, 2018 18:47:19 GMT
Speed must be part of the issue, with the 59 stock bank branch was limited to 30mph, it feels much faster now. Although that limit was liberally interpreted, particularly between Kings Cross and Old Street. |
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