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Post by Deep Level on Jan 16, 2018 12:58:50 GMT
Had a Central Line train (91239) pull into Stratford this morning on the westbounds, every door opened except one of the single leaf doors. This is the first time I've ever seen this happen, would this be a reason to take it out of service when it's discovered or would this carry on in service for the day? I can see this causing some issues throughout the day.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Jan 16, 2018 14:14:06 GMT
From the Central Line "Defective in Service Instructions"
The action for "One Door Failing to Open" (Item 77) is "Train to changeover as soon as possible" and "Allow extra time at stations for customers to use alterative doors. Train technician to attend". There's also a note that this risks a delay to service but that's not the TOp's problem, it's Wood Lane control centre's.
So it would remain in service, continue to White City (Leytonstone if it was eastbound) where a TT would have a look. If the TT couldn't fix it then it would continue in service until it could be swapped with another train.
91239 is an A car so it would have one single leaf door and a driving cab at the other end.
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Post by Deep Level on Jan 16, 2018 18:05:42 GMT
91239 is an A car so it would have one single leaf door and a driving cab at the other end. That wasn't actually the car, it was the third from the back I just grabbed that number as the back of the train came past me. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jan 16, 2018 18:14:06 GMT
A-cars can be found in the middle of trains, in which case one of the doors will not open because it is the door to the "spare" cab (and won't be painted red).
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Post by aslefshrugged on Jan 16, 2018 18:20:10 GMT
Okay, that's the car number, the train number is three orange figures on an dot matrix display below the off-side cab window, above the head/tail lights
So it would be train 001, 076, 103 or something like that.
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Post by Deep Level on Jan 16, 2018 18:29:51 GMT
Okay, that's the car number, the train number is three orange figures on an dot matrix display below the off-side cab window, above the head/tail lights So it would be train 001, 076, 103 or something like that. I was thinking more the unit number, wasn't sure if id got that right though. |
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Post by jamesb on Jan 16, 2018 18:30:38 GMT
A big sticker on the door 'door not in use' MIGHT also stop people standing gormlessly looking at the closed door, pressing the 'open' button in vain... before the penny finally drops and they dash in a haphazard fashion towards an adjacent door.
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Post by MoreToJack on Jan 16, 2018 23:17:34 GMT
A big sticker on the door 'door not in use' MIGHT also stop people standing gormlessly looking at the closed door, pressing the 'open' button in vain... before the penny finally drops and they dash in a haphazard fashion towards an adjacent door. This wouldn't be practical. A train would not enter service with a defective door, and delaying the service whilst station or train staff attend and have to find, clear a path for and affix the sign would make problems worse. It's annoying when it happens, but it's not a major inconvenience. It should be noted that if the reverse is true - I.e. a door cannot close - the train will immediately be withdrawn and staff will ride in the open doorway to depot. It's quite an interesting experience. 😉 |
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Post by domh245 on Jan 16, 2018 23:32:22 GMT
It should be noted that if the reverse is true - I.e. a door cannot close - the train will immediately be withdrawn and staff will ride in the open doorway to depot. It's quite an interesting experience. 😉 Would that be at a reduced speed, given that the interlock would have to have been cut out to get it to move with a door open? |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Jan 17, 2018 0:10:29 GMT
It should be noted that if the reverse is true - I.e. a door cannot close - the train will immediately be withdrawn and staff will ride in the open doorway to depot. It's quite an interesting experience. 😉 Would that be at a reduced speed, given that the interlock would have to have been cut out to get it to move with a door open? No, its at "line speed" although you drop to 20kph going through platforms |
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Post by domh245 on Jan 17, 2018 0:31:19 GMT
Would that be at a reduced speed, given that the interlock would have to have been cut out to get it to move with a door open? No, its at "line speed" although you drop to 20kph going through platforms Fair enough, I can see why it might be described as an interesting experience then! |
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Jan 17, 2018 20:15:21 GMT
Wow. It does seem thrilling.
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Post by philthetube on Jan 18, 2018 10:59:37 GMT
The main duty of the member of staff on the train is to watch for anyone doing anything stupid on the platforms and operate the pass alarm to stop the train if they do.
It's worth remembering that it is only 20 years since staff were hanging off trains regularly as trains departed platforms. (They were called guards) It was also common in open sections in hot weather to see guards with their door open and standing next to it.
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Post by superteacher on Jan 18, 2018 11:22:06 GMT
The main duty of the member of staff on the train is to watch for anyone doing anything stupid on the platforms and operate the pass alarm to stop the train if they do. It's worth remembering that it is only 20 years since staff were hanging off trains regularly as trains departed platforms. (They were called guards) It was also common in open sections in hot weather to see guards with their door open and standing next to it. Indeed. The guard sometimes had both doors open and you got a nice breeze into the carriage. I’ve no idea whether this practice was allowed or merely tolerated. |
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Post by gals on Jan 18, 2018 15:15:29 GMT
You still see central line drivers doing this with their door open on the above ground sections...
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Post by aslefshrugged on Jan 18, 2018 16:07:10 GMT
Had a Central Line train (91239) pull into Stratford this morning on the westbounds, every door opened except one of the single leaf doors. This is the first time I've ever seen this happen, would this be a reason to take it out of service when it's discovered or would this carry on in service for the day? I can see this causing some issues throughout the day. I checked on "replayer", it was Train 062, leading car 91239 on the east end, 91305 on the west end. it was still in service throughout Tuesday afternoon so either a Train Technician fixed it or defective door started open and closing on its own
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Post by spsmiler on Jan 18, 2018 21:44:01 GMT
...and on bright sunny days the guard might also switch off the lights! This action also extinguished the emergency lights.
Of course the lights were *supposed* to be switched back on again before entering a tunnel, but...
From experience I am happy to tell everyone that its no fun being on a moving train in a tunnel in pitch black. 1962 tube stock, Central Line, Leytonstone, eastbound. Fortunately just the once.
Simon
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Post by Chris M on Jan 19, 2018 1:29:32 GMT
From experience I am happy to tell everyone that its no fun being on a moving train in a tunnel in pitch black. 1962 tube stock, Central Line, Leytonstone, eastbound. 1967 Stock farewell tour, Finsbury Park eastbound/northbound crossover from Piccadilly line to Victoria line. Not quite the same I suspect though. |
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Post by hobbayne on Jan 20, 2018 18:26:48 GMT
You still see central line drivers doing this with their door open on the above ground sections... This is perfectly legal. Although a bit chilly in this weather. |
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Post by gals on Jan 21, 2018 14:02:21 GMT
You still see central line drivers doing this with their door open on the above ground sections... This is perfectly legal. Although a bit chilly in this weather. Interesting...sounds like a health and safety nightmare to me! And I'm not one to be hung up on H&S. I also always thought there would be some power cut-out if that door were opeedn like with the passenger doors. Wonder why there's not... |
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Post by superteacher on Jan 21, 2018 14:26:28 GMT
This is perfectly legal. Although a bit chilly in this weather. Interesting...sounds like a health and safety nightmare to me! And I'm not one to be hung up on H&S. I also always thought there would be some power cut-out if that door were opeedn like with the passenger doors. Wonder why there's not... The only way power would be cut off is if the door was opened with the train in ATO mode. The safety (or otherwise) of cab doors being open was discussed on another thread not so long ago after a sensationalised news article. Link below: districtdavesforum.co.uk/thread/28177/driving-cab-door-open |
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Post by countryman on Jan 21, 2018 15:56:11 GMT
Interesting...sounds like a health and safety nightmare to me! And I'm not one to be hung up on H&S. I also always thought there would be some power cut-out if that door were opeedn like with the passenger doors. Wonder why there's not... The only way power would be cut off is if the door was opened with the train in ATO mode. The safety (or otherwise) of cab doors being open was discussed on another thread not so long ago after a sensationalised news article. Link below: districtdavesforum.co.uk/thread/28400/disturbingly-oafish-behaviour-driverI not sure this link goes to the correct thread! |
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Post by superteacher on Jan 21, 2018 16:08:46 GMT
I not sure this link goes to the correct thread! Oops! I’ll try to find the correct one. EDIT: Done |
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