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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 2:34:32 GMT
For example, the Romford to Upminster line which isn't physically connected to the rest of the London Overground network, though neither are the Lea Valley lines aside from out of station interchanges, or TOC's that operate a line outside of its normal geographical area.
What other examples of this are there? Past or present.
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Post by philthetube on Jan 11, 2018 2:36:19 GMT
Island line, Isle of Wight
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Post by rincew1nd on Jan 11, 2018 6:47:37 GMT
The Liverpool & Manchester Railway wasn't connected to the rest of the network for a period of time.
You might get better answers if you ask on a general railway forum, rather than here.
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Post by dagdave on Jan 11, 2018 10:30:16 GMT
Waterloo and City line isn't physically connected to the Underground network
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 14:29:23 GMT
Historically, all the narrow gauge railways included in GWR, LMS, SR and LNER in 1923.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jan 11, 2018 14:48:17 GMT
Northern's Barton on Humber - Cleethorpes route is isolated from the rest of the Northern network during the week - all other trains at Cleethorpes are TransPennine or East Midlands, which have to be used to connect with the nearest other Northern services at Scunthorpe or Lincoln.
However, on Saturdays Northern does run three (?) trains from Sheffield to Cleethorpes and back.
Once TfL Rail takes over the Paddington local services, I believe the Greenford-West Ealing shuttle will not connect with any other GWR service.
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Post by rincew1nd on Jan 11, 2018 16:11:10 GMT
Northern's Barton on Humber - Cleethorpes route is isolated from the rest of the Northern network during the week - all other trains at Cleethorpes are TransPennine or East Midlands, which have to be used to connect with the nearest other Northern services at Scunthorpe or Lincoln. However, on Saturdays Northern does run three (?) trains from Sheffield to Cleethorpes and back. Is this still the case with the new Northern franchise? I thought I'd heard somewhere that it was transferring to East Midlands. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jan 11, 2018 16:39:47 GMT
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Post by miff on Jan 11, 2018 16:44:30 GMT
The idea of a TOC was unknown until 1993. Until then we had railway companies. There were a number of companies (e.g. the owner of the Forth Bridge) who owned railways but didn’t operate trains but I can’t think (maybe you will) of any company that only operated trains and didn’t also own (or long lease, in the case of the Shropshire & Montgomeryshire) a railway. Some railways also had running powers over a neighbouring line but that’s not the same thing.
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Post by Chris M on Jan 11, 2018 17:45:38 GMT
The two funicular railways in Hastings are not connected to each other and both are operated by the local council I believe, and likewise the two in Bournemouth.
The two portions of the Great Orme Tramway are owned and operated by the same organisation but are not physically connected.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jan 11, 2018 17:55:41 GMT
I can’t think (maybe you will) of any company that only operated trains and didn’t also own a railway. What about Pullman services? The Surrey Iron Railway and (I think) the Stockton & Darlington were originally "open access", (based on the same model as the canal companies) so the operators on those lines didn't own the railway. And private owner wagons have always been with us. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jan 11, 2018 17:59:20 GMT
The two sections of Merseyrail (loop and link) are physically separate except for a connection at Liverpool Central that carries no passenger services. Does that count?
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Post by rincew1nd on Jan 11, 2018 18:14:51 GMT
The two sections of Merseyrail (loop and link) are physically separate except for a connection at Liverpool Central that carries no passenger services. Does that count? The Wirral and Northern Lines are connected by two interchanges (Moorfields and Liverpool Central), I thought we were only including OSIs (Out of Station Interchange) |
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