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Post by superteacher on Jan 13, 2018 19:48:51 GMT
Is there a requirement not to depart until the announcement has finished. Some drivers close the doors mid way through.
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Jan 13, 2018 19:51:01 GMT
Slightly off topic, but Emma Hignett announces on the DLR when the train is arriving on the terminating platforms from Lewisham/Canary Wharf.
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Post by MoreToJack on Jan 13, 2018 19:57:33 GMT
Is there a requirement not to depart until the announcement has finished. Some drivers close the doors mid way through. Best practice in the peak is to wait until the current station has been announced, or at interchange stations the final destination (if not manually announced). Off peak you would generally expect to hear up to the final destination; anything else (perhaps aside from the Vic's step-free access information) can be heard once the doors have closed if necessary. |
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Post by Chris M on Jan 13, 2018 21:36:06 GMT
It's not uncommon at Stratford eastbound in the evening peak for the doors to be closed long before the DVA gets round to announcing the destination. As you can't see the DMI from the eastern end of the platform (due to other signage being in the way) and the displays on the front of the train aren't the best* it can be a case of needing to ask passengers already on the train.
*Although as a rule of thumb trains with long destinations (Newbury Park, Hainault via Newbury Park, Woodford via Hainault) are turning right at Leytonstone while those with short ones are going straight on (Epping, Debden, Loughton. Woodford) although the very occasional Hainault via Woodford and Theydon Bois trains don't conform)
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Post by Ben on Jan 14, 2018 1:20:07 GMT
AFAIK we have no way of controlling Sonia's volume in the cab. I was playing around with the DVA yesterday and can confirm the announcements that state the Elizabeth Line as an interchange have already been recorded and are present on the updated trains (I found the Stratford one). Switching over which clip plays at which station when the line opens is a relatively simple matter. My main bug bear with the new announcements (particularly at Stratford and Bank) is that they are longer and slower, therefore delaying our departure whilst simultaneously boring the customers to death. Whats a little boredom when the passengers bum in numb from rock hard seating, or freezing from lack of effective heating on a cold wet day! Besides, grinding them down makes them easier to handle... |
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Post by North End on Jan 14, 2018 3:40:08 GMT
Is there a requirement not to depart until the announcement has finished. Some drivers close the doors mid way through. Not really, no. For a start, it’s not always possible to hear the announcements from inside the cab - especially if the radio is going, there is noise outside, or even if the cab air conditioning is on full. You might see that the PA button is illuminated, but during station stops the driver should be looking at other more important things. Secondly, there are places where the whole announcement is now very long. Embankment on the 95 stock is now ridiculous with the added nonsense about riverboat services, whilst places like Euston have got longer too. Finally it doesn’t really make much difference if people hear the destination after boarding - by that time it’s probably too late for them to alight without doing so as the doors are closing, which is something best avoided- especially as the driver isn’t telepathic and can’t see inside the train to know if someone is going to alight. Having said that, I have heard it mentioned by some people that it’s considered “good practice” to wait. It may even be written down somewhere - but not anywhere which actually matters AFAIK. It’s quite common for drivers on 72 stock to hit the cancel button on the DVA control unit after the station name has been announced. Presumably this is done so the stand clear of the doors message can be broadcast sooner. By contrast this rarely happens on a 95 stock as the PA and DVA setup is more fiddly, which is why most Northern Line drivers just ignore it and let it do its own thing (or a couple who switch it off altogether, although I’d have to do some digging to see if there’s anything written down anywhere explicitelty forbidding this ). |
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Post by superteacher on Jan 14, 2018 9:47:56 GMT
It's not uncommon at Stratford eastbound in the evening peak for the doors to be closed long before the DVA gets round to announcing the destination. As you can't see the DMI from the eastern end of the platform (due to other signage being in the way) and the displays on the front of the train aren't the best* it can be a case of needing to ask passengers already on the train. *Although as a rule of thumb trains with long destinations (Newbury Park, Hainault via Newbury Park, Woodford via Hainault) are turning right at Leytonstone while those with short ones are going straight on (Epping, Debden, Loughton. Woodford) although the very occasional Hainault via Woodford and Theydon Bois trains don't conform) Grange Hill via Woodford and South Woodford are also possible, but Theydon Bois isn’t a terminating point and isn’t available as an option on the DVA. |
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Post by Alight on Jan 22, 2018 23:04:35 GMT
I have finally managed to hear one of the new announcements (Stratford) on YouTube:
Apart from starting slightly quieter than the original, I don't think it is too bad.
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Post by Tomcakes on Jan 22, 2018 23:13:35 GMT
My main bug bear with the new announcements (particularly at Stratford and Bank) is that they are longer and slower, therefore delaying our departure whilst simultaneously boring the customers to death. To suggest that TfL bores passengers to death! Whatever next! Please hold on; this post is about to move. |
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Post by t697 on Jan 23, 2018 5:58:28 GMT
Is there a requirement not to depart until the announcement has finished. Some drivers close the doors mid way through. RVAR requires you give the name of the next station while the doors are open. That's why all the interchange and Exit for ... on S stock are only given in the approach message, not the at station one. I'm surprised at continued efforts to put more information into the at station announcements. |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Jan 23, 2018 9:10:58 GMT
On the Central Line drivers are supposed to wait until the first chime of the countdown before pressing the "close" button, this gives SONIA enough time to do her thing at most places apart from Bank and Stratford in the peak when the dwell time is only 20 seconds so you lose the destination announcement
We're also supposed to make a "Mind the doors" PA before closing at Shepherd's Bush, Notting Hill Gate, Bank, Liverpool Street, Stratford, Woodford and Hainault. At Leytonstone Eastbound and North Acton Westbound we have to announce the destination, advise passengers for the other branch to change and then "mind the doors".
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Post by su31 on Jan 31, 2018 11:58:03 GMT
It would also appear that Emma Hignett ‘additions’ have been made to the DLR. I travelled into Stratford from Canary Wharf via DLR the other day and as the train was approaching Stratford, the new announcement included the Overground and TfL Rail - and buses - something (thankfully) not attached to the Central line announcements!
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Jan 31, 2018 16:05:26 GMT
If I remember correctly, they added this announcement around the start of 2016,,,
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Post by mattb on Feb 8, 2018 0:04:03 GMT
I think personally that this has been a shambolic waste of money from TfL. But I feel it would be better to have changed the whole lot, rather than hastily try and stitch two variants together like this! Please don’t shoot me down for this, but personal opinion is the rule of thumb here.
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Post by superteacher on Feb 8, 2018 0:38:19 GMT
I think personally that this has been a shambolic waste of money from TfL. But I feel it would be better to have changed the whole lot, rather than hastily try and stitch two variants together like this! Please don’t shoot me down for this, but personal opinion is the rule of thumb here. This is a discussion forum, so personal opinions are integral! And speaking with my mod hat on, we don’t allow people to be shot down for giving their opinion, providing it is done in the right way - as you have done. 
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