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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2018 9:45:06 GMT
Hi
Guys today I was on the central line and station announcements at Notting Hill Gate, Shepherds Bush and Bank have been replaced very badly they could be worse then the Jubilee.
I think the announcer is the lady from the Victoria line please if you know more please comment below.
Annoncement style “This is Shepards bush” Normally “Change HERE for London Overground and National Rail Services, Exit here for Westfield London” rest is normal.
Cheers
59stock.
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Post by Alight on Jan 8, 2018 17:21:37 GMT
Thanks for the update, 59stock. I suspect it is Sarah Parnell (who currently holds contract for BCV and SSL announcements), who was specifically selected to blend in with existing tones, and thus has been used for updates on the Bakerloo line (termination messages) and D78 stock (when Blackfriars was closed).
I wonder why Notting Hill Gate needed replacing? Admittedly it was a little robotic sounding, but perhaps they’ve added an ‘exit here for’?
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Post by phoenixcronin on Jan 8, 2018 20:02:26 GMT
I was on a train with the new announcements today. White City also now includes interchange with Circle/H&C from Wood Lane. Tried to get video but the unit I was on had quiet/muffled speakers. Will try again tomorrow
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2018 20:53:15 GMT
I noticed Notting hill gate as well. Why did they change bank though? Also, before bank was apparently changed, it still sounded different than other announcements on the line even though it was clearly still voiced by Emma Clarke, was there a reason for that change? I'd say Emma Clarke and Sarah Parnell are the best announcers for the tube. I think Julie Berry is better with national rail and Emma Highnett with buses.
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Post by Alight on Jan 8, 2018 20:58:23 GMT
I wonder how they updated the announcements? I was always told by people in the know that it was no longer possible to upgrade the announcements because the computer technology from the early '90s was no longer compatible! So much for forward planning, but somehow they've found a solution!
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Post by superteacher on Jan 8, 2018 21:19:37 GMT
I wonder how they updated the announcements? I was always told by people in the know that it was no longer possible to upgrade the announcements because the computer technology from the early '90s was no longer compatible! So much for forward planning, but somehow they've found a solution! Remember that the DVA was updated in 2003, so this will be the third set of announcements since the stock was introduced. Apparently it’s more difficult to update the 1992 stock than more recent stock. |
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Post by Alight on Jan 8, 2018 21:58:05 GMT
superteacher -- remember there was an update post-2003 when Bank and Liverpool Street were rerecorded. So this would be the fourth, but that doesn't explain the long gap between re-recordings. I had been told the original computer used to load the announcements was no longer available, which is why they became stuck as they were. I don't, however, have any hard evidence to substantiate such a claim -- especially not now they have been upgraded!
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Post by superteacher on Jan 8, 2018 22:03:29 GMT
superteacher -- remember there was an update post-2003 when Bank and Liverpool Street were rerecorded. So this would be the fourth, but that doesn't explain the long gap between re-recordings. I had been told the original computer used to load the announcements was no longer available, which is why they became stuck as they were. I don't, however, have any hard evidence to substantiate such a claim -- especially not now they have been upgraded! Why were Bank and Liverpool Street updated post 2003? |
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Post by North End on Jan 8, 2018 22:06:51 GMT
I noticed Notting hill gate as well. Why did they change bank though? Also, before bank was apparently changed, it still sounded different than other announcements on the line even though it was clearly still voiced by Emma Clarke, was there a reason for that change? I'd say Emma Clarke and Sarah Parnell are the best announcers for the tube. I think Julie Berry is better with national rail and Emma Clarke with buses. Not as good as the original 92 stock voice, that of Janet Mayo - IMO. |
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Post by superteacher on Jan 8, 2018 22:33:36 GMT
Seems a bit silly to update them now, when another update will be needed for the opening of the Elizabeth line.
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Post by Deep Level on Jan 9, 2018 7:22:58 GMT
superteacher -- remember there was an update post-2003 when Bank and Liverpool Street were rerecorded. So this would be the fourth, but that doesn't explain the long gap between re-recordings. I had been told the original computer used to load the announcements was no longer available, which is why they became stuck as they were. I don't, however, have any hard evidence to substantiate such a claim -- especially not now they have been upgraded! Why were Bank and Liverpool Street updated post 2003? Not sure the official reason but I remember the Bank announcement changing from 'Docklands Light Railway' to 'DLR'. |
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Post by superteacher on Jan 9, 2018 7:30:40 GMT
Why were Bank and Liverpool Street updated post 2003? Not sure the official reason but I remember the Bank announcement changing from 'Docklands Light Railway' to 'DLR'. I’m sure that was done in 2003 though, because Stratford used “DLR” from then. |
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Post by Alight on Jan 9, 2018 10:03:28 GMT
There was a blanket upgrade in 2003 when Mayo was replaced with Emma. The update following that saw some stations rerecorded - you have just reminded me that Stratford was another one. These newer recordings sound a lot clearer and 'Docklands Light Railway' was changed to 'DLR'.
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Post by su31 on Jan 9, 2018 13:04:06 GMT
The script for Bank was changed for the Waterloo & City line closure and again afterwards hence the feel of a ‘different’ recording.
The announcement for Notting Hill Gate was also amended at the same time to correct the order from ‘District and Circle lines’ to ‘Circle and District lines’ - again, this is why it sounds different to the remaining announcements.
I’m surprised they’re changing things now when it’ll have to be changed again when the purple line opens.
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Post by superteacher on Jan 9, 2018 13:24:40 GMT
The announcement for Notting Hill Gate was also amended at the same time to correct the order from ‘ District and Circle lines’ to ‘Circle and District lines’ - again, this is why it sounds different to the remaining announcements. What a waste of time and money! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2018 13:48:01 GMT
The announcement for Notting Hill Gate was also amended at the same time to correct the order from ‘ District and Circle lines’ to ‘Circle and District lines’ - again, this is why it sounds different to the remaining announcements. What a waste of time and money! What makes it even more ridiculous and confusing is that Piccadilly line announcements list lines back to front. Eg. At Kings cross, it says 'change here for the Victoria, Northern, Metropolitan....'. As long as it doesn't just list lines in a completely random order, I don't see why it should have to be alphabetical. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2018 13:50:02 GMT
There was a blanket upgrade in 2003 when Mayo was replaced with Emma. The update following that saw some stations rerecorded - you have just reminded me that Stratford was another one. These newer recordings sound a lot clearer and 'Docklands Light Railway' was changed to 'DLR'. But weren't the northern line announcements updated much more recently yet they kept it as 'Docklands Light Railway' |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jan 9, 2018 14:46:33 GMT
At Kings cross, it says 'change here for the Victoria, Northern, Metropolitan....'. As long as it doesn't just list lines in a completely random order, I don't see why it should have to be alphabetical. Are they in order of ease of convenience of connection (the Picc is nearer the Vic as I recall, and a long way from the SSL - it would probably end ".......and, if you are changing to St Pancras for National Rail services, I'd stop for a picnic when you get half way to the domestic platforms........" |
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Post by Alight on Jan 9, 2018 14:53:54 GMT
But weren't the northern line announcements updated much more recently yet they kept it as 'Docklands Light Railway' You are right... a missed opportunity! |
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Post by alpinejohn on Jan 9, 2018 19:09:55 GMT
I fully understand the need to change announcements which are no longer correct, but I am not convinced that changes need to be made simply for consistency if the underlying information remains valid. Indeed if we accept the argument that the purpose of these announcements is to assist travellers then some inconsistency may actually be beneficial.
Certainly when it comes to getting people to pay attention to safety briefings a few aircraft crews have displayed admirable individuality can still get my full attention whilst I suspect I am not alone in pretty much switching off when the staff stick doggedly to the approved script. Perhaps there is no great need for announcements to consistently use DLR or Docklands Light Railway.
As for incoherent/muffled announcements I suspect maintenance staff should be checking any reports of problems. Although I would not be surprised if some drivers have got totally fed up hearing the same announcements time and again, and may have been tempted to reduce the volume so they are no longer discernible in the cab.
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Post by phoenixcronin on Jan 9, 2018 19:58:27 GMT
I fully understand the need to change announcements which are no longer correct, but I am not convinced that changes need to be made simply for consistency if the underlying information remains valid. Indeed if we accept the argument that the purpose of these announcements is to assist travellers then some inconsistency may actually be beneficial. Certainly when it comes to getting people to pay attention to safety briefings a few aircraft crews have displayed admirable individuality can still get my full attention whilst I suspect I am not alone in pretty much switching off when the staff stick doggedly to the approved script. Perhaps there is no great need for announcements to consistently use DLR or Docklands Light Railway. As for incoherent/muffled announcements I suspect maintenance staff should be checking any reports of problems. Although I would not be surprised if some drivers have got totally fed up hearing the same announcements time and again, and may have been tempted to reduce the volume so they are no longer discernible in the cab. Is the driver actually able to control the volume on the 92 stock? I know on some others they cannot |
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Post by beingcharley on Jan 9, 2018 20:07:37 GMT
Changes have been made to a number of rolling stock's DVAs in conjunction with the introduction of Operational Standards Notice (OSN) 135, which formalises the usage of gender neutral announcements across London Underground. Other, unrelated announcements have also been altered at the same time as these changes as it makes sense to do all of this at once. Whilst some of these changes may been seen as unnecessary (they are!) the current Standard says that that's how they should be phrased, so that is what has been done.
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Post by Deep Level on Jan 10, 2018 8:58:05 GMT
Kept my earphones off today on the way to work to hear these, personally I think they sound muffled and unclear making them harder to hear.
I heard new announcements at Stratford, Liverpool Street and Bank (I alight at Oxford Circus).
The announcements at Stratford and Liverpool Street seem to start the same with only changes to the 'change for' part with the addition of London Overground and TfL Rail (I can't remember if Stratford already had LO).
The new announcement at Bank seems to be a lot slower and calmer yet not as clear.
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Post by superteacher on Jan 10, 2018 20:03:24 GMT
Kept my earphones off today on the way to work to hear these, personally I think they sound muffled and unclear making them harder to hear. I heard new announcements at Stratford, Liverpool Street and Bank (I alight at Oxford Circus). The announcements at Stratford and Liverpool Street seem to start the same with only changes to the 'change for' part with the addition of London Overground and TfL Rail (I can't remember if Stratford already had LO). The new announcement at Bank seems to be a lot slower and calmer yet not as clear. Stratford didn’t have LO In the announcements. Also, not all trains have been updated yet. |
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Post by patrickb on Jan 10, 2018 20:45:57 GMT
Correct, as a frequent user, the announcements at Stratford only stated that you could change for the Jubilee Line, DLR and National Rail Services, very outdated indeed.
Sarah Parnell is currently indeed used in place of Emma Clarke, however I'll be surprised if they still keep her once Crossrail opens and the PA's get updated again.
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Post by Alight on Jan 10, 2018 22:49:59 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if they have already recorded the 'Elizabeth line' interchange in the current batch, which they would release at the end of the year.
Does anyone know what is different about the new Bank messaging?
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Post by su31 on Jan 11, 2018 1:42:17 GMT
Does anyone know what is different about the new Bank messaging? Emma's announcement was • This is Bank. Please mind the gap between the train and the platform. Change here for the Circle, District Northern, and Waterloo & City Lines and the DLR. Unfortunately, it sounded more like "Waterloo , and City Lines" (as in two separate lines) - a bugbear of mine for some reason! The new one is more pronounced and sounds the way it should. If that makes sense! |
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Post by Ben on Jan 11, 2018 1:57:09 GMT
I thought the guy that did the Pic was good. Very clear.
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Post by countryman on Jan 11, 2018 10:02:03 GMT
Rather off topic, but if anyone wants to hear awful announcements, try Yellow Buses in Bournemouth.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 19:43:49 GMT
AFAIK we have no way of controlling Sonia's volume in the cab.
I was playing around with the DVA yesterday and can confirm the announcements that state the Elizabeth Line as an interchange have already been recorded and are present on the updated trains (I found the Stratford one). Switching over which clip plays at which station when the line opens is a relatively simple matter.
My main bug bear with the new announcements (particularly at Stratford and Bank) is that they are longer and slower, therefore delaying our departure whilst simultaneously boring the customers to death.
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