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Post by Deep Level on Nov 16, 2017 15:27:03 GMT
So I was at Kennington for the first time today as I had to change from a Southbound train on the Bank branch to a Northbound train on the Charing Cross branch so I thought id take the opportunity to ride the loop as this has been on my list to do before trains start going to Battersea. I've always been told that passengers are allowed on the loop and therfore there is no "tipping out" so as I arrived at Kennington and train destined for the loop also arrived so I simply walked across and jumped on it but I was immediately shouted at by the driver over the tannoy saying "leave the train immediately, do not board this train". As soon as I stepped off the doors closed and the train went on its way.
So what's the deal here? Are passengers allowed on the loop or not? No one actually confirmed that the train was empty before it moved on.
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Post by phoenixcronin on Nov 16, 2017 15:51:34 GMT
Probably not a good idea to get on it at Kennington. Better to be on the train as it arrives at Kennington and then simply don't get off. It would be very difficult for the driver to see you on CCTV so there would be no shouting etc.
Passengers ARE allowed on the loop. If not then the train would have to be tipped out properly e.g. one car at a time with the porter's button.
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Post by superteacher on Nov 16, 2017 16:25:13 GMT
Officially, the loop is a non passenger section. However, it is colour signalled, and therefore cleared for passenger use if necessary. Due to this, there is no requirement to check the train is empty prior to entering the loop.
BUT . . .
The response of the driver on the train tells you that passengers aren’t allowed on the loop. We would always expect members to follow any instruction given to them by LU staff. The fact that the train isn’t tipped out doesn’t imply that passengers are permitted there under normal circumstances.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Nov 16, 2017 16:43:32 GMT
. We would always expect members to follow any instruction given to them by LU staff. In this case the driver may have been concerned that you mistakenly thought the train was going south, or because he expected to be held in the loop for a considerable time, or because the train was being taken out of service for some other reason. Anyway, I can't imagine a logical journey that would involve changing south-to-north at Kennington. What is the Bakerloo Line for? |
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Post by MoreToJack on Nov 16, 2017 17:44:48 GMT
However, it is colour signalled, and therefore cleared for passenger use if necessary. Well... it was colour-light signalled. Of course, it's now signalled under TBTC - but the premise remains. No need to detrain to go 'round the loop', but, as stated by others, it's generally discouraged. It's not unheard of for trains to be stacked in there for quite some time. |
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Post by Deep Level on Nov 16, 2017 18:49:53 GMT
Thanks for everyones responses, I still wish to do this at some point but perhaps I will board the train at an earlier point, I would have done it when I was travelling the other way earlier in the day but I had less time for the journey in that direction. Anyway, I can't imagine a logical journey that would involve changing south-to-north at Kennington. What is the Bakerloo Line for? I was traveling between my office in Tottenham Court Road and our office in The Shard as I had training in the latter, I was planning to go to Waterloo and take the Jubilee but journey planner was adamant that the Kennington change would be quickest and to be fair it did seem rather quick but given that this is the only time I've made the journey between these two stations I have nothing to compare it to. |
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Post by longhedge on Nov 16, 2017 20:04:57 GMT
I travelled around the Loop a couple of weeks ago. I had no problem, and after the train left, a pre-recorded P.A, message was broadcasted basically saying.... Don`t activate any alarms..the train is reversing and will arrive back at Kennington in a few minutes. I saw some of the works re the first step-plate junction, as we were going quite slowly.
I have travelled around the loop on occasions over many years - no problem. But obviously, if you are seen to join the train at Kennington, they will assume you are a normal passenger wanting to go south, and ask you to leave the train. This is what I would expect the Driver to do. What I do is to sit at the end of the rear carriage and I have never had a problem. This may sound sneaky, but it stops any hassle.
I hope to do the trip in a few weeks to see the two new junctions in all their glory.
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Post by holborncentral on Nov 16, 2017 20:20:58 GMT
I was reading about this yesterday. I've seen YouTube videos of people riding the Loop. It seems a lot of them stay on the train when it arrives at Kennington and pretend to be asleep or have headphones on so they pretend to not hear the announcements. It would be an interesting experience but not something I would do all the time.
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Post by MoreToJack on Nov 16, 2017 23:08:17 GMT
Once again: the official line, and the advice of this forum, is that you should always follow the instructions of staff and you should not, under any circumstances, attempt to circumnavigate the attention of staff and 'sneak' on or off any trains. Riding 'the Loop' will always be a contentious topic. I think we'll leave this one here, as the original question has been answered.
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