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Post by programmes1 on Oct 29, 2017 12:59:04 GMT
Hoping someone can help.
After leaving Plaistow westbound signal FC16 either takes you to West ham or into the siding (2 routes). At West Ham westbound there is signal FC19 which takes you into the siding (1 route).
Now it’s been said to me that these signals have more routes FC16 has 3 routes and FC19 has 2 routes, can any explain if this is so and what those routes are as I can’t see what they would be.
Looking at photos of the panel in Barking signal box they do have more buttons but there are other signals associated with these.
7 buttons for FC16 associated with signals
FC2/16/17
FC2/16
FC2/16/18(2)
FC3/16/17
FC3/16
FC4/16/17
FC4/16
There is only 1 button for FC19.
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Post by Tom on Oct 29, 2017 14:32:40 GMT
It's easier to consider it when you look at the written description for each button:
FC2/16/17 calls FC2, FC16(1) and FC17 - Plaistow WB Starter to West Ham WB Platform
FC2/16 calls FC2 and FC16 (2) - Plaistow WB Starter to Siding
FC2/16/18(2) calls FC2, FC16 (2) and FC18 (2) - Plaistow WB Starter to West Ham EB Platform.
FC3/16/17 calls FC3, FC16 (1) and FC17 - Plaistow WB Starter from Platform 2 to West Ham WB Platform
FC3/16 calls FC3 and FC16 (2) - Plaistow WB Starter from Platform 2 to Siding
FC4/16/17 calls FC4, FC16 (1) and FC17 - Plaistow WB Starter from Bay Road to West Ham WB Platform
FC4/16 calls FC4 and FC16 (2) - Plaistow WB Starter from Bay Road to Siding
FC19 (West Ham WB starter) only has one route, do you mean FC20 (West Ham EB Starter from WB PLatform)? FC16 and FC18 have two routes each. The idea that FC16 has three routes might be because by pushing (for example) FC2.16.18(2) you can route right through to West Ham but all that does is preselect FC18 (2). It is available to reduce the Signaller's workload rather than having to push FC2.16 and FC18 (2) separately.
When doing the opposite move from West Ham WB platform to Plaistow EB platform via the siding, there is no option to select multiple routes, it has to be done as two button operations: FC20 and then FC21.11.10.
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Post by programmes1 on Oct 29, 2017 16:38:57 GMT
It's easier to consider it when you look at the written description for each button: FC2/16/17 calls FC2, FC16(1) and FC17 - Plaistow WB Starter to West Ham WB Platform FC2/16 calls FC2 and FC16 (2) - Plaistow WB Starter to Siding FC2/16/18(2) calls FC2, FC16 (2) and FC18 (2) - Plaistow WB Starter to West Ham EB Platform. FC3/16/17 calls FC3, FC16 (1) and FC17 - Plaistow WB Starter from Platform 2 to West Ham WB Platform FC3/16 calls FC3 and FC16 (2) - Plaistow WB Starter from Platform 2 to Siding FC4/16/17 calls FC4, FC16 (1) and FC17 - Plaistow WB Starter from Bay Road to West Ham WB Platform FC4/16 calls FC4 and FC16 (2) - Plaistow WB Starter from Bay Road to Siding FC19 (West Ham WB starter) only has one route, do you mean FC20 (West Ham EB Starter from WB PLatform)? FC16 and FC18 have two routes each. The idea that FC16 has three routes might be because by pushing (for example) FC2.16.18(2) you can route right through to West Ham but all that does is preselect FC18 (2). It is available to reduce the Signaller's workload rather than having to push FC2.16 and FC18 (2) separately. When doing the opposite move from West Ham WB platform to Plaistow EB platform via the siding, there is no option to select multiple routes, it has to be done as two button operations: FC20 and then FC21.11.10. Tom, Thanks you have written the list much better than me but I suppose working on the railway does that. I'm sorry it should have been FC20 my error. Was bi-directional signalling ever considered to be used at West Ham? as thinking about FC20 perhaps a second route would have gone along the westbound in the wrong direction. I thought the other routes you mention would have operational implications and to make working the site easier. I have found a photo on the web and if you look carefully below where West Ham station is are the route buttons you will see that FC16 has 3 routes indicated. Click here |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 18:38:50 GMT
Plaistow did have bi directional a few years ago now  |
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Post by revupminster on Oct 30, 2017 6:50:40 GMT
To say Plaistow had bi directional implies that a train could leave the bay and shunt into the eastbound running line, stop, reverse and proceed eastbound where I would have thought practice would have a train leave the bay under colour light to the westbound running line then shunt back to the east bound running line.
This is so two trains could not proceed towards each other
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Post by programmes1 on Oct 30, 2017 8:30:06 GMT
Plaistow did have bi directional a few years ago now That's interesting can you expand on what went on. |
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Post by programmes1 on Oct 30, 2017 8:36:29 GMT
To say Plaistow had bi directional implies that a train could leave the bay and shunt into the eastbound running line, stop, reverse and proceed eastbound where I would have thought practice would have a train leave the bay under colour light to the westbound running line then shunt back to the east bound running line. This is so two trains could not proceed towards each other As far as I know there was a shunt signal on the westbound which enabled a train to come back eastbound but that could be used for trains which had arrived on the westbound, I suppose a train could have left the bay road and then reversed back eastbound. The shunt signal has now been removed since the siding was brought into use. Thanks to PK for altering the title. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 10:33:21 GMT
To say Plaistow had bi directional implies that a train could leave the bay and shunt into the eastbound running line, stop, reverse and proceed eastbound where I would have thought practice would have a train leave the bay under colour light to the westbound running line then shunt back to the east bound running line. This is so two trains could not proceed towards each other As far as I know there was a shunt signal on the westbound which enabled a train to come back eastbound but that could be used for trains which had arrived on the westbound, I suppose a train could have left the bay road and then reversed back eastbound. The shunt signal has now been removed since the siding was brought into use. Thanks to PK for altering the title. Your correct there was this was removed upon the commissioning of West Ham. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 10:35:05 GMT
Plaistow did have bi directional a few years ago now That's interesting can you expand on what went on. I was trying to be abit sarky. When the westbound train from the bay road ended up going bang road on the eastbound due to an error the previous night with the wiring for West Ham a few years ago now |
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Post by programmes1 on Oct 30, 2017 13:11:50 GMT
That's interesting can you expand on what went on. I was trying to be abit sarky. When the westbound train from the bay road ended up going bang road on the eastbound due to an error the previous night with the wiring for West Ham a few years ago now I had forgot all about that incident. |
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Post by Tom on Oct 31, 2017 22:28:23 GMT
I have found a photo on the web and if you look carefully below where West Ham station is are the route buttons you will see that FC16 has 3 routes indicated. Click hereI'll have to recheck the control tables - clearly there is but I don't know what the difference between routes 2 and 3 are off the top of my head! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2017 22:30:46 GMT
I can’t see the picture at present but into the sand drag well buffers in this case?
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Post by programmes1 on Nov 3, 2017 14:58:33 GMT
I have found a photo on the web and if you look carefully below where West Ham station is are the route buttons you will see that FC16 has 3 routes indicated. Click hereI'll have to recheck the control tables - clearly there is but I don't know what the difference between routes 2 and 3 are off the top of my head! Tom, If you could shed some more light on this it would help a lot. |
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Post by programmes1 on Nov 3, 2017 14:59:11 GMT
I can’t see the picture at present but into the sand drag well buffers in this case? Now that is not one of your answers like before is it? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2017 5:42:34 GMT
I can’t see the picture at present but into the sand drag well buffers in this case? Now that is not one of your answers like before is it? No it wasn't |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2017 6:12:50 GMT
I'll have to recheck the control tables - clearly there is but I don't know what the difference between routes 2 and 3 are off the top of my head! Tom, If you could shed some more light on this it would help a lot. FC16 rt 1 is the straight on route along the westbound with 13 & 15 Points Normal FC16 rt2 is into the Sidings via 13 Points Reverse upto FC18 with 15, 14 & 12 Points Normal FC 16 rt 3 is into the Sidings via 13 & 14 Points Reverse then via FC18 rt2 into the eastbound platform with 15 & 12 Points Normal These have all been confirmed via the Route Locking Tables |
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Post by programmes1 on Nov 4, 2017 12:44:26 GMT
Tom, If you could shed some more light on this it would help a lot. FC16 rt 1 is the straight on route along the westbound with 13 & 15 Points Normal FC16 rt2 is into the Sidings via 13 Points Reverse upto FC18 with 15, 14 & 12 Points Normal FC 16 rt 3 is into the Sidings via 13 & 14 Points Reverse then via FC18 rt2 into the eastbound platform with 15 & 12 Points Normal These have all been confirmed via the Route Locking Tables Thanks for that all cleared up, FC20 with 2 routes must be along those lines but different direction. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2017 13:35:53 GMT
FC20 rt 1 is through the Sidings and back onto the eastbound
FC20 rt 2 is into the Sidings only as far as FC21
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Post by Tom on Nov 4, 2017 21:58:17 GMT
That's one less job for when I get back off leave then...  |
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Post by programmes1 on Nov 5, 2017 8:34:11 GMT
FC20 rt 1 is through the Sidings and back onto the eastbound FC20 rt 2 is into the Sidings only as far as FC21 Thanks for clearing that up. |
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