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Post by jimjams on Jul 24, 2017 8:04:30 GMT
I travel from Farringdon to West Harrow on a regular basis, when last Friday evening (July 21st) about 8.45pm a Met line train arrived destination Raynes Lane, most unusual in my experience, is this a normal accurance or an operational adjustment? The driver was most helpful explaining to us that Rayners Lane was a station on the Uxbridge branch, he also suggested that passengers travelling to Paddington should change at GreatPortland Street, and wait on the platform for a Hammersmith & City line train instead of Baker Street, where there were many stairs to negotiate, I'm sure any passengers with suit cases to carry or walking difficulties would have appreciated this advice, a case in my opinion of this driver going the extra mile. jimjams
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Post by superteacher on Jul 24, 2017 9:13:49 GMT
I travel from Farringdon to West Harrow on a regular basis, when last Friday evening (July 21st) about 8.45pm a Met line train arrived destination Raynes Lane, most unusual in my experience, is this a normal accurance or an operational adjustment? The driver was most helpful explaining to us that Raynes Lane was a station on the Uxbridge branch, he also suggested that passengers travelling to Paddington should change at Portland Place, and wait on the platform for a Hammersmith & City line train instead of Baker Street, where there were many stairs to negotiate, I'm sure any passengers with suit cases to carry or walking difficulties would have appreciated this advice, a case in my opinion of this driver going the extra mile. jimjams There are no scheduled Met trains which reverse at Rayners Lane, so it would have been a late running train or one which happened to be in the wrong timetabled path after an earlier operating issue.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 8:20:50 GMT
He also suggested that passengers travelling to Paddington should change at GreatPortland Street, and wait on the platform for a Hammersmith & City line train instead of Baker Street, where there were many stairs to negotiate, I'm sure any passengers with suit cases to carry or walking difficulties would have appreciated this advice, a case in my opinion of this driver going the extra mile. jimjams Westbound Met services automatically announce at Great Portland Street to, "Change for Circle and Hammersmith & City line services via Paddington", of course a personal touch from the driver always helps. I may need correcting here but is the interchange with Circle line services via Tower Hill announced at Liverpool Street as shown on the CLD's or is it announced at Aldgate?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 8:30:30 GMT
I travel from Farringdon to West Harrow on a regular basis, when last Friday evening (July 21st) about 8.45pm a Met line train arrived destination Raynes Lane, most unusual in my experience, is this a normal accurance or an operational adjustment? The driver was most helpful explaining to us that Raynes Lane was a station on the Uxbridge branch, he also suggested that passengers travelling to Paddington should change at Portland Place, and wait on the platform for a Hammersmith & City line train instead of Baker Street, where there were many stairs to negotiate, I'm sure any passengers with suit cases to carry or walking difficulties would have appreciated this advice, a case in my opinion of this driver going the extra mile. jimjams There are no scheduled Met trains which reverse at Rayners Lane, so it would have been a late running train or one which happened to be in the wrong timetabled path after an earlier operating issue. A signal failure at Aldgate East was disrupting H'smith & City services until 19:15 between Moorgate and Barking. As is the classic case with the SSR, this gave the Met some grief and inevitably led to services being cut short. We can only assume that Harrow-On-The-Hill had a limitied reversing capacity at the time so Rayners Lane was chosen to squeeze an extra service in to reverse there.
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Post by ruislip on Aug 6, 2017 23:08:56 GMT
There are no scheduled Met trains which reverse at Rayners Lane, so it would have been a late running train or one which happened to be in the wrong timetabled path after an earlier operating issue. A signal failure at Aldgate East was disrupting H'smith & City services until 19:15 between Moorgate and Barking. As is the classic case with the SSR, this gave the Met some grief and inevitably led to services being cut short. We can only assume that Harrow-On-The-Hill had a limitied reversing capacity at the time so Rayners Lane was chosen to squeeze an extra service in to reverse there. What about Ruislip, given that Rayners is used as a normal reversing point for short-working Piccadilly Line trains on the Uxbridge branch?
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Post by ruislip on Aug 6, 2017 23:10:59 GMT
I travel from Farringdon to West Harrow on a regular basis, when last Friday evening (July 21st) about 8.45pm a Met line train arrived destination Raynes Lane, most unusual in my experience, is this a normal accurance or an operational adjustment? The driver was most helpful explaining to us that Rayners Lane was a station on the Uxbridge branch, he also suggested that passengers travelling to Paddington should change at GreatPortland Street, and wait on the platform for a Hammersmith & City line train instead of Baker Street, where there were many stairs to negotiate, I'm sure any passengers with suit cases to carry or walking difficulties would have appreciated this advice, a case in my opinion of this driver going the extra mile. jimjams Are announcements ever made on Baker St terminators from the suburbs that it's easier to change at Finchley Road for destinations beyond Baker St than it is at the latter--given a potentially long walk/stairs to deal with?
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Post by Chris M on Aug 6, 2017 23:25:17 GMT
I don't know about the Met approaching Baker Street, but they are routine at Canary Wharf on trains terminating at North Greenwich and also at Barbican on Moorgate terminators.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 7:34:04 GMT
I travel from Farringdon to West Harrow on a regular basis, when last Friday evening (July 21st) about 8.45pm a Met line train arrived destination Raynes Lane, most unusual in my experience, is this a normal accurance or an operational adjustment? The driver was most helpful explaining to us that Rayners Lane was a station on the Uxbridge branch, he also suggested that passengers travelling to Paddington should change at GreatPortland Street, and wait on the platform for a Hammersmith & City line train instead of Baker Street, where there were many stairs to negotiate, I'm sure any passengers with suit cases to carry or walking difficulties would have appreciated this advice, a case in my opinion of this driver going the extra mile. jimjams Are announcements ever made on Baker St terminators from the suburbs that it's easier to change at Finchley Road for destinations beyond Baker St than it is at the latter--given a potentially long walk/stairs to deal with? You just said yourself, "potentially". If a train were to terminate on Platform 4 passengers for through Aldgate services have cross platform interchange with Platform 3 but only if the next service to Aldgate is a Metropolitan service which in many instances isn't the case. If the next service via Aldgate was a Circle line service and a Met service terminated at Platform 1 (or 2 for that matter) passengers need simply walk via the large gates (Platform 2) the or smaller interchange corridor (Platform 1) leading down to the Eastbound Circle/H&C platform without stairs. Even though some drivers are proactively aware (from the WTT) of the platform that has been allocated at the terminal location and station staff have copies of the Working Timetable (WTT) to hand a clause in it refers to routeing of trains that, "Signal Operators can, however, vary routeing and platform working in the best interests of the service." Effectively the advance information known at Finchley Road is too conditional to make any meaningful announcements to passengers which is why normally they aren't made on services terminating at Baker Street.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 7:46:22 GMT
A signal failure at Aldgate East was disrupting H'smith & City services until 19:15 between Moorgate and Barking. As is the classic case with the SSR, this gave the Met some grief and inevitably led to services being cut short. We can only assume that Harrow-On-The-Hill had a limitied reversing capacity at the time so Rayners Lane was chosen to squeeze an extra service in to reverse there. What about Ruislip, given that Rayners is used as a normal reversing point for short-working Piccadilly Line trains on the Uxbridge branch? Depends on the route allocation timings with regards to the Piccadilly lines services. It's worth noting that the train may not have used the reversing siding, both Metropolitan and Piccadilly line services can reverse from the Westbound platform by means of a trailing crossover. It's happened before and is quicker than the reversing siding at Rayners Lane or Ruislip the latter of which is unpopular during busy periods of operation as the out going manoeuvre blocks both lines and quickly stacks up services.
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Post by philthetube on Aug 7, 2017 9:39:06 GMT
Are announcements ever made on Baker St terminators from the suburbs that it's easier to change at Finchley Road for destinations beyond Baker St than it is at the latter--given a potentially long walk/stairs to deal with? You just said yourself, "potentially". If a train were to terminate on Platform 4 passengers for through Aldgate services have cross platform interchange with Platform 3 but only if the next service to Aldgate is a Metropolitan service which in many instances isn't the case. If the next service via Aldgate was a Circle line service and a Met service terminated at Platform 1 (or 2 for that matter) passengers need simply walk via the large gates (Platform 2) the or smaller interchange corridor (platform 1) leading down to the Eastbound Circle/H&C platform without stairs. Even though most drivers are proactively aware (from the WTT) of the platform that has been allocated at terminal locationand station staff have copies of the Working Timetable (WTT) to hand a clause in it refers to routeing of trains that, "Signal Operators can, however, vary routeing and platform working in the best interests of the service."
Effectively the advance information known at Finchley Road is too conditional to make any meaningful announcements to passengers which is why normally they aren't made on services terminating at Baker Street. I don't think drivers are aware of which platform they are going into, and I don't think they care, as long as the route provided is sensible it will be accepted without thought. Going into Baker street a driver has no interest as to whether the train is going to be routed into platform 1 or 4 and will accept either, questions will only be asked if 2 or 3 is routed.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 9:57:07 GMT
Even though most drivers are proactively aware (from the WTT) of the platform that has been allocated at terminal locationand station staff have copies of the Working Timetable (WTT) to hand a clause in it refers to routeing of trains that, "Signal Operators can, however, vary routeing and platform working in the best interests of the service." I don't think drivers are aware of which platform they are going into, and I don't think they care, as long as the route provided is sensible it will be accepted without thought. Going into Baker street a driver has no interest as to whether the train is going to be routed into platform 1 or 4 and will accept either, questions will only be asked if 2 or 3 is routed. Fair enough, I just passed that comment based on previous experience with some drivers on the line. Besides, there are more important things to be looking out for...
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Post by Dstock7080 on Aug 7, 2017 11:46:40 GMT
I don't think drivers are aware of which platform they are going into, and I don't think they care, as long as the route provided is sensible it will be accepted without thought Indeed, official Metropolitan Line drivers duty books do not give platform numbers for trains at Baker Street.
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Post by scheduler on Aug 11, 2017 23:11:42 GMT
A signal failure at Aldgate East was disrupting H'smith & City services until 19:15 between Moorgate and Barking. As is the classic case with the SSR, this gave the Met some grief and inevitably led to services being cut short. We can only assume that Harrow-On-The-Hill had a limitied reversing capacity at the time so Rayners Lane was chosen to squeeze an extra service in to reverse there. What about Ruislip, given that Rayners is used as a normal reversing point for short-working Piccadilly Line trains on the Uxbridge branch? If there's a Picc in the siding, there's the option of a platform reverse for both Met and Picc at Rayners Lane, very nice sensible layout that is.
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Post by t697 on Aug 12, 2017 9:44:28 GMT
The S stock CIS does have Rayners Lane and Ruislip as settable destinations for NB trips. It also has Ickenham and Rayners Lane as SB destinations. I'd be surprised if Ickenham gets much use but it covers reversing via the crossover at Ruislip siding and going back to Uxbridge. Rayners SB then involves a double shunt via the siding, so really for service purturbations etc.
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Post by orienteer on Aug 23, 2017 21:10:20 GMT
Surely to reverse S to N at Rayners Lane would best be done via the trailing crossover just beyond the junction.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2017 21:42:14 GMT
Surely to reverse S to N at Rayners Lane would best be done via the trailing crossover just beyond the junction. Well it might be if there was a signalled south-north move over either trailing crossover, but alas not. In fact, according to the diagram in @martin12's post , the trailing point in both cases is a spring point. I'm not certain that's still the case, but it certainly was the last time the area was resignalled, so the points would have to be secured for any move over them in any circumstances.
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Post by MoreToJack on Aug 23, 2017 21:57:53 GMT
During the closure of the Uxbridge branch over the weekend of 29/30 July the points south of Rayners Lane on the Metropolitan line, 14, were renewed with Surelocks, eradicating the spring-toggles. The same is planned for those on the Piccadilly side during a future closure.
"Over a weekend closure on 29/30 July 2017, Rayners Lane 14 electro pneumatic clamplock points will be converted to electric powered 4ft Surelocks and the existing toe position moved 2.756m south towards West Harrow station. Rayners Lane 14 loose spring toggle points will be converted to electric powered 4ft Surelock points and the existing toe position moved 0.883m north towards Rayners Lane station."
There were no signalling changes, and thus there is still no south to north move.
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Post by Chris M on Aug 23, 2017 23:16:37 GMT
Can points really be installed with millimetre precision?
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