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Post by alpinejohn on Jul 14, 2017 11:20:16 GMT
Just spotted an article on the Standard website about cracks being observed in a listed footbridge over the lines at Kew Bridge. Railway bridge in south-west London 'at risk of collapse'As the structure is apparently listed, I guess the cheap option of demolition and replacement with a modern steel structure is not going to be an easy answer, but if the risk is significant it raises the interesting conflict preserving the bridge v keeping services operating. Currently the TFL status update shows no sign of disruption. |
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Jul 14, 2017 11:25:10 GMT
There will probably be long-running weekend works  . |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Jul 14, 2017 11:34:03 GMT
Kew Gardens is a Network Rail station managed by South West Trains however according to the article Richmond council (why they are involved is anyone's guess) say that the bridge needs repair but isn't in danger of imminent collapse
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Post by brigham on Jul 14, 2017 11:49:58 GMT
The famous footbridge at Kew Gardens station.
The STANDARD doesn't seem to realise how well-known it is.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jul 14, 2017 11:50:39 GMT
Kew Gardens is a Network Rail station managed by South West Trains however according to the article Richmond council (why they are involved is anyone's guess) say that the bridge needs repair but isn't in danger of imminent collapse Kew Gardens is an LU station, part of the Turnham Green group. |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Jul 14, 2017 11:58:27 GMT
Kew Gardens is a Network Rail station managed by South West Trains however according to the article Richmond council (why they are involved is anyone's guess) say that the bridge needs repair but isn't in danger of imminent collapse Kew Gardens is an LU station, part of the Turnham Green group. Must have been looking at Kew Bridge, Kew Gardens - like Gunnersbury - is owned by Network Rail but managed by London Underground. I'm still not sure what that has to do with Richmond council unless of course the bridge is not part of the station. I only go to Kew once a year so I'm not that familiar with the area |
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Post by saphil on Jul 14, 2017 12:25:24 GMT
I'm still not sure what that has to do with Richmond council unless of course the bridge is not part of the station. I only go to Kew once a year so I'm not that familiar with the area You don't enter the station to go over the bridge, so it may be the council's responsibility. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jul 14, 2017 13:02:54 GMT
You don't enter the station to go over the bridge, so it may be the council's responsibility. That would be unusual - most bridges (over or under) are owned by the railway - which means, somewhat unfairly, that they are responsible for strengthening work on overbridges to carry heavier lorries. The local council are probably involved because any modification on a listed structure requires planning permission, and/or because it is a public highway. (Although it spans the platforms, it is outside the barrier line and quite separate from the station subway) www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4771344,-0.2852696,3a,75y,170.03h,86.25t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAq3DGJNdSmoAAAQJOHMFYw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4767306,-0.2848269,3a,75y,356.09h,85.4t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZgWUvy_co-kU_GSLs5DNEA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 web.archive.org/web/20120816124750/https://urbandesign.tfl.gov.uk/Heritage-Library/Underground/KewGardens-Station-Footbridge.aspxThe bridge was built in 1912 in order to provide a public highway across the railway. The railway had already been there for over forty years, but it may be significant that the line had been electrified a few years before, so crossing on the flat was not to be encouraged, and/or that the area to the east of the railway was being developed for housing at around that time. www.richmond.gov.uk/media/13414/conarea73_a3_rgb.pdf |
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Post by North End on Jul 14, 2017 14:02:27 GMT
Kew Gardens is an LU station, part of the Turnham Green group. Must have been looking at Kew Bridge, Kew Gardens - like Gunnersbury - is owned by Network Rail but managed by London Underground. I'm still not sure what that has to do with Richmond council unless of course the bridge is not part of the station. I only go to Kew once a year so I'm not that familiar with the area Looking through the Network Rail asset register, the bridge is shown to have an asset reference (SAR2/30B), however in the column headed owner it says "Outside party". I suspect this answers the question of why the council may be involved. |
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Post by stapler on Jul 14, 2017 17:44:52 GMT
If it's listed, then if Richmond Council own it, they would be responsible for repairing it. And granting planning permission, if it's not repaired like for like.
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Post by rincew1nd on Jul 14, 2017 18:06:50 GMT
Can't be in as bad a state as this bridge I saw in Cheshire:
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Post by bassmike on Jul 15, 2017 9:33:55 GMT
Not absolutely clear wether talking about --Kew Bridge station or Kew Gardens station or the foot bridge at Kew Bridge station Or the foot bridge at Kew gardens station on first reading this post.!! Could'nt have done better myself!
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Post by crusty54 on Jul 15, 2017 13:21:42 GMT
Not absolutely clear wether talking about --Kew Bridge station or Kew Gardens station or the foot bridge at Kew Bridge station Or the foot bridge at Kew gardens station on first reading this post.!! Could'nt have done better myself! It is the footbridge across the tracks at Kew Gardens station. |
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Post by peterc on Jul 16, 2017 16:45:36 GMT
If it is carrying a public right of way then LBR certainly have a duty to ensure that the owner maintains it.
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Post by sammyj on Jul 17, 2017 9:28:20 GMT
Slightly off topic - what is a group in this context (do all lines have these station groups?)
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Post by aslefshrugged on Jul 17, 2017 11:28:55 GMT
Slightly off topic - what is a group in this context (do all lines have these station groups?) "Group" was pre-Fit for the Future, there were 38 station group each under a Group Station Manager and each group had its own reserve of staff, they were replaced with 97 Areas some of which consist of just a single station like King's Cross/St Pancras under ...wait for it.. an Area Manager but most Areas share a reserve with other Areas in their "Cover Group". Turnham Green Area consists of Stamford Brook, Turnham Green, Gunnersbury and Kew Gardens which with Hammersmith Area (Ravenscourt Park, Hammersmith & West Kensington) makes up District A Cover Group. All lines had groups, when I joined LU I was a reserve Station Assistant at Edgware Road Group on the Circle Line which covered Edgware Road, Paddington and Bayswater. I then moved to Canary Wharf Group on the Jubilee Line which was Canary Wharf, North Greenwich, Canning Town, West Ham and Stratford but Canary Wharf was paired with Canada Water to form a separate group so the other four stations became Stratford Group. The five original stations are now Jubilee E Cover Group and split into three Areas. The managers did well out of FFTF..... |
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