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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2006 11:23:27 GMT
I can think of a few:
- is that train facing the right direction?
- are those houses in the background still there?
- why are there two motored cars in a row on the 38TS?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2006 12:09:17 GMT
Has it got anyhting to do with the Standard stock trailer in the train, or maybe what looks like a palm tree on the platform? ;D
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2006 12:24:55 GMT
looks like the 3rd from back is a Standard Stock Car.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2006 14:03:57 GMT
looks like the 3rd from back is a Standard Stock Car. Most of the Bakerloo 1938 tube stock sets included one or two 1927 trailer trailer cars up until the early seventies. |
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Post by Phil on Mar 20, 2006 14:04:49 GMT
Funny, isn't it? I've been thinking of posting this pic for a while, but couldn' think where. There is something very similar going on here....  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2006 14:16:33 GMT
The '27 trailer should be behind the leading north DM (3 car unit) and third car of south leading DM (4 car unit)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2006 17:55:33 GMT
The '27 trailer should be behind the leading north DM (3 car unit) and third car of south leading DM (4 car unit) My answer is, it is unusual to see a '27 trailer included in a four car unit. |
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Post by russe on Mar 20, 2006 18:16:13 GMT
I've been thinking of posting this pic for a while, but couldn' think where. What is the location? Russ |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2006 18:19:57 GMT
west hampsted
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Post by thc on Mar 20, 2006 18:20:30 GMT
It looks to my untrained eye like the view southbound from Wembley Park station bridge towards Neasden Power station and I would guess it was taken at some time in the early 1950s.
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Post by tom2506 on Mar 20, 2006 18:22:05 GMT
It is Wembley Park, with the stacks of Neasden Power Station in the distance
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2006 18:29:03 GMT
I have a pic of the same view but later on with A stock and 38 TS. The caption ....View from a bridge at Wembley Park.
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Post by tom2506 on Mar 20, 2006 18:39:13 GMT
I also have a picture with A stocks in it
The caption "Figure 150 shows the burrowing junction at Wembly Park, with the stacks of Neasden power Station in the distance."
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Post by russe on Mar 20, 2006 18:43:39 GMT
That's what I thought, but then:
- what is all that CO/CP stuff doing on the Met?
- why do the northbound Bakerloo marker lights indicate an empty stock train to Harrow & Wealdstone?
- what is the marker light indication on the northbound subsurface train?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2006 19:02:34 GMT
P stock used to serve Uxbridge. Yeah I noticed the empty stock H&W headcode, perhaps he's lost ;D The northbound P stock headcode is Liverpool St.  |
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Post by Phil on Mar 20, 2006 19:09:47 GMT
P stock used to serve Uxbridge. Yeah I noticed the empty stock H&W headcode, perhaps he's lost ;D The northbound P stock headcode is Liverpool St. Put 2 and 2 together: the 'Liverpool Street' code (south)is the same as 'Uxbridge' (north)....... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2006 19:20:03 GMT
Goody Goody! Confusion at last!! Location of second pic: Wembley Park. What's unusual is that BOTH pics had sets of Bakerloo trains with TWO '58 trailers' in them. Originally they were (almost) all in 4-car sets, later (almost) all in the 3-car sets. So it was an unusual occurrrence to have a 7-car train with 2 '58 trailers' in it. Yep, so my answer of a '27 trailer car in a four car unit being unusual, but in a three car unit it was the norm. is right. BTW did you mean '27 trailer car cos that's the info I've got. |
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Post by russe on Mar 20, 2006 19:49:25 GMT
Thanks Dennis. I wasn't aware of that. Did they supplement the Met T stock, or did they monopolise the Uxbridge runs for a while?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2006 19:59:33 GMT
Thanks Dennis. I wasn't aware of that. Did they supplement the Met T stock, or did they monopolise the Uxbridge runs for a while? Russ As far as I know they monopolised the Uxbridge run until replaced with the A '62s. |
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Post by Phil on Mar 20, 2006 20:07:15 GMT
For those who don't know the terminology (we've discussed it elsewhere....COLIN? ?), the '58 trailers' were so called because there were 58 of them! They were almost all 1927 standard stock trailers modified to run with 38ts. Originally they were all in the 4-car sets, but as posted above, by the end most of them had been marshalled into the 3-car sets. I do not have the reason why: others might. But on that basis, either way there would only normally have been one (ex-)standard stock trailer per 7 car train. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2006 20:37:20 GMT
I'm sure there are many of us here who are confused with the terminology of '58 meaning converted '27 trailers, it sounds like a non existent 1958 tube stock.
Colin: I'm afraid I'm gonna have to call on you again to sniff this past thread out, if you can't, blame Phil. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Colin on Mar 21, 2006 2:12:54 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2006 7:10:13 GMT
I'm sure there are many of us here who are confused with the terminology of '58 meaning converted '27 trailers, it sounds like a non existent 1958 tube stock. By 1938, LT was referring to all the pre-35 tube cars as "Standard Stock". Presumably they didn't want to keep calling these cars "Standard" as they were modified to run with the 38TS. Although they were a planned part of the 38TS programme, they were obviously different. As there were 58 of them, the staff took to calling them "the 58 trailers" and the name stuck. No possibility of confusion with a "1958 tube stock" at the time, of course..... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2006 8:36:31 GMT
Thanks Colin, for the link to the past thread, I think I must of quickly browsed through it without taking it all in. It just goes to show how useful as well fun these picture quizzes are.
Sydneynick mentioned in the past thread that the trailers were a nuisance, having no end doors, however two were rebuilt with end doors in the early sixties but no more after that, does anyone know why? Cost maybe?
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Post by Dmitri on Mar 21, 2006 11:28:04 GMT
Sydneynick mentioned in the past thread that the trailers were a nuisance, having no end doors, however two were rebuilt with end doors in the early sixties but no more after that, does anyone know why? Cost maybe? My uneducated guess is as follows: in early sixties, cars built in 1927 were already ca. 35 years old, so it was deemed uneconomical to put up money into the old rolling stock. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2006 11:36:46 GMT
Sydneynick mentioned in the past thread that the trailers were a nuisance, having no end doors, however two were rebuilt with end doors in the early sixties but no more after that, does anyone know why? Cost maybe? My uneducated guess is as follows: in early sixties, cars built in 1927 were already ca. 35 years old, so it was deemed uneconomical to put up money into the old rolling stock. Yeah, that was my first thought, but why did they bother converting two of them at that time in their life? |
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Post by Phil on Mar 21, 2006 11:50:11 GMT
They still had over 10 years to go (in some cases) and the lack of end doors was slowing transit times at Stations. So I suppose it was worth a try.
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