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Post by Chris M on Jun 27, 2017 23:51:48 GMT
The New York Times are reporting a derailment of an A train on the New York Subway in northern Manhattan, injuring "dozens". www.nytimes.com/2017/06/27/nyregion/subway-train-derails-in-manhattan.htmlThe immediate cause is reported to be an emergency brake application, but what speed it was doing and the reason for the emergency braking are not known/reported. One thing that strikes me about the reports is the confusion and feeling that the passengers needed to get themselves to the surface and were "milling around on the track". This is not something I recall reading about from any of the incidents that have happened on LU.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jun 28, 2017 5:53:50 GMT
The immediate cause is reported to be an emergency brake application, but what speed it was doing and the reason for the emergency braking are not known/reported. The report doesn't quite say that. It says "The train careened off the tracks after its emergency brakes were activated" - note that "after" doesn't necessarily mean "because of". Later in the report "A preliminary investigation found that an improperly secured piece of replacement rail that had been stored on the tracks was the cause of the derailment" This suggests the driver saw the obstruction and applied the emergency brake but was unable to stop in time to prevent the derailment.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Jun 28, 2017 7:17:47 GMT
Try reading the whole article, the fourth paragraph states that "At least 34 people were injured" but only "17 transported to local hospitals for treatment of minor injuries". Pretty standard for a derailment. The "improperly secured piece of replacement rail" reminds me of the 2007 Bethnal Green derailment where improperly stored equipment was the cause, 20 people were injured of which 8 were taken to hospital.
Rather than "passengers milling about on the tracks" as the caption under the photo suggests that appears to be a controlled detrainment with a member of staff or the emergency services in a hi-viz jacket shining a torch at the track to assist the passengers.
One passengers says that a door was torn off in the crash which would have allowed passengers to access the track as the New York Subway is like the LU Sub Surface lines. There were passengers on the track after the 7/7 bombings at Edgware Road and Aldgate but passengers wouldn't be able to access the track in deep level tunnels as there's not enough room between the train and the tunnel wall.
As for Tube passengers forcing doors to escape a "fire" on a train just watch the video of the 2013 Holland Park incident. Panic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Chris M on Jun 28, 2017 10:41:32 GMT
The immediate cause is reported to be an emergency brake application, but what speed it was doing and the reason for the emergency braking are not known/reported. The report doesn't quite say that. It says "The train careened off the tracks after its emergency brakes were activated" - note that "after" doesn't necessarily mean "because of". Later in the report "A preliminary investigation found that an improperly secured piece of replacement rail that had been stored on the tracks was the cause of the derailment" This suggests the driver saw the obstruction and applied the emergency brake but was unable to stop in time to prevent the derailment. I think the wording regarding the emergency braking has been tightened up since the initial reports, certainly there was no mention of the improperly secured rail - I suspect the preliminary investigation results post date the early news report I saw.
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Post by philthetube on Jun 28, 2017 15:23:17 GMT
Unless there is something different about the braking systems of NY subway trains I cannot see how an emergency brake application could cause a derailment.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Jun 28, 2017 18:39:49 GMT
Unless there is something different about the braking systems of NY subway trains I cannot see how an emergency brake application could cause a derailment. It didn't. As the article states......
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Post by roman80 on Jun 28, 2017 18:53:14 GMT
Unless there is something different about the braking systems of NY subway trains I cannot see how an emergency brake application could cause a derailment. It didn't. As the article states......
There has lots of discussion in New York recently about recent frequent delays caused by years of chronic underinvestment. Unlike London, the ultimate responsible politician is the Governor of New York State, based hundreds of miles away in Albany. A New York Times article last month drew a differentiation between the state of the New York subway and London's Underground. www.nytimes.com/2017/05/01/insider/a-new-york-city-transit-reporter-in-wonderland-riding-the-london-tube.html
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