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Post by Chris W on May 16, 2017 19:47:07 GMT
I'm sat on a train currently en route home. After leaving Seven Kings our car has been entered by a woman in broken English calling out "homeless & pregnant" whilst rattling around some coins in a cup.
Seems that TfL Rail is now being targeted by begging !
Anyone else notice other lines getting the same by welcome visitors in the form of organised gangs recently?
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Post by cso on May 16, 2017 19:57:41 GMT
I've not noticed gangs when I've been travelling recently, but I did have one chap on an S Stock (can't remember which line) that was going up the train giving everyone the sob story and if people didn't give him money just turned round and said "F... you lot".
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Post by spsmiler on May 16, 2017 20:36:32 GMT
Not on the trains but when walking past the shops along Cranbrook Road near Ilford station.
Several different people!
Alas, a sign of the times.
Simon
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Post by Deep Level on May 17, 2017 4:57:22 GMT
I'm sat on a train currently en route home. After leaving Seven Kings our car has been entered by a woman in broken English calling out "homeless & pregnant" whilst rattling around some coins in a cup. Seems that TfL Rail is now being targeted by begging ! Anyone else notice other lines getting the same by welcome visitors in the form of organised gangs recently? I honestly thought you were talking about an actual 'car' rather than a train car, I assumed you meant you exited Seven Kings Station and I was just picturing a woman sat in the back of your car asking for money  |
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Post by oe on May 17, 2017 8:24:21 GMT
There are several mendicants with a regular beat that I see almost daily on various parts of especially the Overground network. They appear to come from a variety of backgrounds. Their appearances and techniques vary enormously; from a polite impoverished patter, through empty coffee cup rattling, to silent passive harrassment. Methinks that while some are genuine the majority are pro's.
I cannot remember the last time I saw anyone react let alone donate.
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Post by tjw on May 17, 2017 8:26:59 GMT
Southern Selhurst to Clapham Junction had the tissue sellers working shifts a couple of years ago. after a few months the BTP worked out what they were doing and came down and made an arrest (or at least a stop and search)
There has been a busker or two on the East London line, but they did not seem to be collecting 'donations'...
Have not seen anything while travelling on the S stock.
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Post by class411 on May 17, 2017 8:48:42 GMT
I'm sat on a train currently en route home. After leaving Seven Kings our car has been entered by a woman in broken English calling out "homeless & pregnant" whilst rattling around some coins in a cup. Seems that TfL Rail is now being targeted by begging ! Anyone else notice other lines getting the same by welcome visitors in the form of organised gangs recently? I honestly thought you were talking about an actual 'car' rather than a train car, I assumed you meant you exited Seven Kings Station and I was just picturing a woman sat in the back of your car asking for money There's a very good reason why a rail passenger saloon is called (by normal people) a 'carriage', and a road going small passenger vehicle a 'car': it avoids confusion such as that. It's a stupid affectation of LU to continue to insist on calling railway carriages 'cars'. Q: What is a car? A: It's a car Q: What is a railway carriage? A: It is a railway carriage Q: What is an LU car? A: It's a railway carriage Daft as a brush |
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Post by aslefshrugged on May 17, 2017 9:16:47 GMT
I honestly thought you were talking about an actual 'car' rather than a train car, I assumed you meant you exited Seven Kings Station and I was just picturing a woman sat in the back of your car asking for money There's a very good reason why a rail passenger saloon is called (by normal people) a 'carriage', and a road going small passenger vehicle a 'car': it avoids confusion such as that. It's a stupid affectation of LU to continue to insist on calling railway carriages 'cars'. Q: What is a car? A: It's a car Q: What is a railway carriage? A: It is a railway carriage Q: What is an LU car? A: It's a railway carriage Daft as a brush Its not just LU, the mainline have "cars" too e.g. the Class 411 is a 4-car EMU |
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Post by trt on May 17, 2017 9:21:19 GMT
There's a very good reason why a rail passenger saloon is called (by normal people) a 'carriage', and a road going small passenger vehicle a 'car': it avoids confusion such as that. It's a stupid affectation of LU to continue to insist on calling railway carriages 'cars'. Q: What is a car? A: It's a car Q: What is a railway carriage? A: It is a railway carriage Q: What is an LU car? A: It's a railway carriage Daft as a brush Its not just LU, the mainline have "cars" too e.g. the Class 411 is a 4-car EMU Today I took the car to the station where I got into a car, went to a terminus where I got into another car which took me to another terminus, where I rode a car up to street level. This morning I saw no beggars, they usually come out for the evening commute. Off-peak, perhaps. Like last night, "I've got no money at all, and I just need a few pounds to pay for the hostel and a meal... Please... Oh well, f*** you lot. I expected as much." Well, if you expected as much, why waste money on a tube ticket? Presuming they had one. And why bother anyway? |
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Post by rincew1nd on May 17, 2017 9:21:27 GMT
I honestly thought you were talking about an actual 'car' rather than a train car, I assumed you meant you exited Seven Kings Station and I was just picturing a woman sat in the back of your car asking for money There's a very good reason why a rail passenger saloon is called (by normal people) a 'carriage', and a road going small passenger vehicle a 'car': it avoids confusion such as that. It's a stupid affectation of LU to continue to insist on calling railway carriages 'cars'. Q: What is a car? A: It's a car Q: What is a railway carriage? A: It is a railway carriage Q: What is an LU car? A: It's a railway carriage Daft as a brush What about Coach then? |
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Post by norbitonflyer on May 17, 2017 9:28:43 GMT
I have heard the press refer to freight wagons as "cars", or even "carriages".
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Post by brigham on May 17, 2017 10:01:44 GMT
Americans refer to goods wagons as 'cars'. The term is not specific to passenger stock.
Main-line railways use 'car' as an abbreviation in 'internal' docs, such as working timetables &c., but seldom when addressing the passenger.
It ought to be noted that 'car' in Underground terms refers only to American style carriages with multiple seats in a saloon. Main-line types, such as the Dreadnoughts, were not, and ought not to be referred to as such.
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Post by class411 on May 17, 2017 10:22:25 GMT
I can pretty much guarantee that if someone asked you how you were getting from A to B and you answered "coach", they would be 100% confident that you meant you were travelling in a road going coach. However, it has certainly been the case that people refer to train carriages as 'railway (or train) coaches' (or possibly just 'coach' if the context made it absolutely clear [e.g. third coach from the barrier]). Conversely, if someone asked you how you were getting from A to B and you answered "car", they would be 100% confident that you meant you were travelling in a private road going vehicle. |
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Post by aslefshrugged on May 17, 2017 10:29:21 GMT
I can pretty much guarantee that if someone asked you how you were getting from A to B and you answered "coach", they would be 100% confident that you meant you were travelling in a road going coach. However, it has certainly been the case that people refer to train carriages as 'railway (or train) coaches' (or possibly just 'coach' if the context made it absolutely clear [e.g. third coach from the barrier]). Conversely, if someone asked you how you were getting from A to B and you answered "car", they would be 100% confident that you meant you were travelling in a private road going vehicle. If someone asked you how you were getting from A to B and you answered "carriage" they'd think you meant horse-drawn |
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on May 17, 2017 10:51:06 GMT
I can pretty much guarantee that if someone asked you how you were getting from A to B and you answered "coach", they would be 100% confident that you meant you were travelling in a road going coach. However, it has certainly been the case that people refer to train carriages as 'railway (or train) coaches' (or possibly just 'coach' if the context made it absolutely clear [e.g. third coach from the barrier]). Conversely, if someone asked you how you were getting from A to B and you answered "car", they would be 100% confident that you meant you were travelling in a private road going vehicle. is referring to terms describing the physical subdivision of trains. If I was catching a train as a method of transport I (and most people that I can think of) would say by way of reportage that "I am catching the train", and if further interrogated on a granular level I might add "In the first class compartment" or "In the last coach" or "In the buffet car" or "In the second carriage from the front", all of which would be perfectly understandable to whoever I was talking to. The continued use and interchangeability of these words indicates to me that we have no problems here, particularly on a train forum........ and in any case, we have deviated from the topic. Lets get back on it. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on May 17, 2017 13:02:59 GMT
I can pretty much guarantee that if someone asked you how you were getting from A to B and you answered "coach", they would be 100% confident that you meant you were travelling in a road going coach. Or flying, in the American equivalent of Economy Class Back on topic, on-train beggars are by no means a new phenomenon on London's railways - but they seem to come and go in waves. I haven't seen any on the routes I travel recently. There used to be a couple of buskers who turned up from time to time be regulars on the trains my route. No doubt they varied their pitches to get different audiences and to stay ahead of the British Transport Police. Oysterisation seems to have put paid to the market in used Travelcards - people asking for them were a very common occurrence. |
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Post by trt on May 17, 2017 15:51:02 GMT
The roving eastern european musicians are a bit of an earful, TBH. All that squeeze box, tambourines, whooping and foot banging... Jollity should not be permitted on the underground.
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Post by brigham on May 17, 2017 15:58:25 GMT
The roving eastern european musicians are a bit of an earful, TBH. All that squeeze box, tambourines, whooping and foot banging... Jollity should not be permitted on the underground. Must be better than the same old hippie with the same old electric guitar pretending to be an American! |
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Post by steeevooo on May 18, 2017 8:40:24 GMT
The roving eastern european musicians are a bit of an earful, TBH. All that squeeze box, tambourines, whooping and foot banging... Jollity should not be permitted on the underground.
There's a group of 3 (or maybe 4) who I have encountered numerous times on various lines, including the various Subsurface railways and the Northern Line who are ridiculously irritating, and seemingly only have one song (When the Saints go Marching In). Provoked one of my favourite encounters on the Underground when, whilst holding their hats out for money, a fellow passenger remarked to them that "Busking on the Underground without a permit is illegal", which got the response from one of the clowns of "F*ck you, we provide entertainment and everyone loves us"....the passenger quite calmly retorted "Is that why you've received precisely no donations whatsoever then?"!! The band promptly left the train...
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Post by silenthunter on Jul 8, 2017 18:03:16 GMT
Its not just LU, the mainline have "cars" too e.g. the Class 411 is a 4-car EMU 411? That's a 4CEP in SR language... interesting choice of an example. |
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Post by class411 on Jul 8, 2017 18:08:37 GMT
Its not just LU, the mainline have "cars" too e.g. the Class 411 is a 4-car EMU 411? That's a 4CEP in SR language... interesting choice of an example. I'm sure it was intentional.  It was, indeed, a 4-CEP, and I always knew the types as 4-SUB, 2-SUB, 4-VEP, etc. So much so that when I joined this forum, I'd misremembered the class number for a 4-CEP and joined as Class 413. Fortunately a mod kindly changed my name for me. |
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Post by silenthunter on Jul 8, 2017 18:09:51 GMT
Well, then you'd be a 4-CAP.
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Post by philthetube on Jul 8, 2017 18:25:10 GMT
I was travelling passenger in uniform a couple of months back, a female tissue seller boarded and started putting tissues down, aiming to collect for them, I asked her to stop , she didn't so I followed her, picking up her tissues.
she got off at the next stop, I am now the proud owner of enough packs of tissues to last for the next six months
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