Phil
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Post by Phil on Mar 9, 2006 11:27:59 GMT
I was sent these pics by Q8, and include his question as well. I must say, this is a hard one, because unless you are of a certain age you will not know what you are looking for...... "The attached images are all of 1938 stock. LUL did a good job of restoring it to near original condition but in so doing they left something out. The two black and white images show what it is. "  First B&W Second B&WThe clever ones will be able to spot it without looking at the B&Ws....... |
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Post by DWS on Mar 9, 2006 11:42:23 GMT
Is it the Nicotine stains on the ceiling.
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Post by Christopher J on Mar 9, 2006 11:43:48 GMT
The seat moquette?
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Post by CSLR on Mar 9, 2006 12:02:03 GMT
There is not only something missing. There is also something right in the middle of the picture that should not be there.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2006 12:02:13 GMT
Without looking any further, the very first thing I noticed was the J door, in which not only is there something missing ( I know what it is and will leave others to guess) but the original door handle has not been restored.
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Post by Phil on Mar 9, 2006 12:19:17 GMT
Yes, the security handle on the J door has not been removed: I pointed that out to Q8 but he said it didn't count!!!!! Dennis may well have got it: PM me if you like - but in doing that he is publicly admitting to being of a 'certain age'  Otherwise - keep guessing! |
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Post by CSLR on Mar 9, 2006 12:38:44 GMT
In addition to the missing and additional items, I notice that there is a bulb that needs changing and that the seat back on the right is not latched up against the connecting pin beneath the window - I guess that the guard has been looking for small change that dropped behind the seats.
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Post by CSLR on Mar 9, 2006 12:47:31 GMT
I have noticed something else that should be missing.
All of the curved pieces of wood that hold the adverts in place are in position. In service, some would have been removed to use as a tool to clean the door runners or to jam between the end door and the window in the guard's compartment to allow precision control of the air flow.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2006 13:27:19 GMT
Aren't the B&W pic links in Phils thread of 'Old Porthole', a 1949 stock car that was an experiment for the high windows seen in 1967 stock for the first time, and an experimental 1935 stock car?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2006 13:28:52 GMT
Has the fact that two of the panels on the cab bulkhead have adverts on them have anything to do with the differences?
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Post by amershamsi on Mar 9, 2006 13:35:25 GMT
the line maps are above the adverts in the b&w pics - the adverts also are bigger and go down over where the line map is in the restored version.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2006 13:57:14 GMT
Aren't the B&W pic links in Phils thread of 'Old Porthole', a 1949 stock car that was an experiment for the high windows seen in 1967 stock for the first time, and an experimental 1935 stock car? I remember riding on that one to Mill Hill East in 1967 and taking photos of it. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2006 15:33:39 GMT
Emergency light holder in J door?
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Post by mowat on Mar 9, 2006 15:33:56 GMT
The first B&W photo is the sunshine car 1938ts DM 10306 converted in 1949 as a experiment for high windows that would have been on the never built 1952 tube stock. The other photo is of 1935 tube stock you can tell by the windows.  |
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Post by Phil on Mar 9, 2006 15:46:43 GMT
Alexh, amershamsi, both well observed but not the answer. Dave 72: what sort of emergency light was it? (important part of answer) No proof of which car, but I too think it can only be 10306, which looked like this:  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2006 16:21:14 GMT
Could it possibly be a candle???
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Post by CSLR on Mar 9, 2006 16:27:33 GMT
Could it possibly be a candle??? On carriages of this period, the candle holders always had fire extinguishers strategically placed nearby. And in some Standard Stock cars, the candle holders were made of soldered tinplate and beveled glass and they resembled the lamps that were hung from the side of horse drawn carriages. In an emergency, the guard or driver could lift these from the wall-mount and carry them around, leaving the passengers in darkness. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2006 16:34:11 GMT
If my memory serves me well I seem to recall the A60's had candle holders to.
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Post by Phil on Mar 9, 2006 19:12:36 GMT
Well Done all - candle holder wins it. Compulsory requirement at the time of introduction.
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