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Post by camperdown9 on Mar 22, 2017 9:40:34 GMT
Hello
This is a bit of a strange question, and please forgive me if its been asked before.
When the D stock came into service was it standard practice that passengers had to press the button to open the doors at all stations? And if so when did this change?
When I moved to London in 1996 I lived near Elm Park and I kind of remember there being posters on the station telling customers that as it was Autumn that they would need to press the button to open the doors. However I think in central London you didn't need to do this. And I am guessing that in summer its wasn't needed at all.
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Alex
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Post by stapler on Mar 22, 2017 12:11:17 GMT
The D stock was dreadful to travel in when it came into service. Without opening windows, you couldn't breathe. Several times I just had to get out on my habitual journey Westminster-Mile End. At that point, I think they introduced driver opening of doors, but not in winter. Then everybody got confused, so passenger operation of doors was abandoned altogether. And they introduced the "breath of Fresh Air" campaign and inserted quarterlights (very ineffective) to correct the design fault.
No, it wasn't general on LU, though some BR trains had it, notably the Shenfield electrics.
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Post by brigham on Mar 22, 2017 12:17:15 GMT
Quite a lot of post-BR stock has 'push-button-to-open' doors.
I've seen people standing at normal carriage doors looking bewildered!
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Post by Chris M on Mar 22, 2017 13:02:06 GMT
I've seen exactly the same on the DLR
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Post by punkman on Mar 22, 2017 17:10:05 GMT
I'm not sure about D stock, but certainly on the Jubilee '96 stock they used to have that facility and it may even still be there prior to their refurb, but rarely if ever used now. In inclement weather when trains were at termini or held for extended periods at outside stations, drivers could enable "passenger mode" and close the doors so that passengers boarding could push the button to open them again. They used to have a similar feature whereby in similar circumstances drivers could use "select close" so that all doors except a single leaf one on each carriage would close. Obviously drivers were SUPPOSED to re-open them just prior to departing so that they didn't leave any confused passengers behind.
I agree it is confusing as others have mentioned other railways e.g. DLR, London Overground continue needing passengers to open them. Indeed in the Jubilee fleet overhaul the facility is being removed completely; one argument I've seen put forward is to dissuade latecomers attempting to push a door open button on an already departing train in the mistaken belief it would miraculously open!
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Post by norbitonflyer on Mar 22, 2017 17:45:39 GMT
drivers could use "select close" so that all doors except a single leaf one on each carriage would close. 1973 stock used to have a feature in which two leaves (a single leaf door and the adjacent leaf of a double leaf one) could be kept open whilst the rest were closed, for use at extended dwells. I recall a passenger at Hammersmith, clearly under the impression the door was stuck, trying to forcibly close the open leaf of the double set! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 18:20:18 GMT
drivers could use "select close" so that all doors except a single leaf one on each carriage would close. 1973 stock used to have a feature in which two leaves (a single leaf door and the adjacent leaf of a double leaf one) could be kept open whilst the rest were closed, for use at extended dwells. I recall a passenger at Hammersmith, clearly under the impression the door was stuck, trying to forcibly close the open leaf of the double set! Selective open? |
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Post by t697 on Mar 22, 2017 20:11:51 GMT
No, that one on Picc 73TS really is Selective Close. That operates all but one door engine per car side to close. Thus leaving one single door and one leaf of the adjacent double doorway open, since that one door engine works those two doors.
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Post by rincew1nd on Mar 22, 2017 23:26:56 GMT
I've seen exactly the same on the DLR OT I know, but Manchester Metrolink has a brilliant system outside of the city centre. Before you get to the stop where you plan to alight you can press the door open button and it starts to flash, then at the stop the doors open. If you don't press the button in advance when you get to the stop the buttons illuminate green but the doors stay shut. What's quite clever is if you push a button on the side of the tram which then doesn't arrive in a platform, the adjacent door does open. |
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Post by brigham on Mar 23, 2017 8:53:28 GMT
Reminds me of a similar, but totally off-topic, arrangement, involving BUSES in Teesside.
A notice said "All passengers wishing to alight MUST push the bell button".
The row when a few dozen schoolkids were disembarking was amazing!
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Post by peterc on Mar 23, 2017 11:18:52 GMT
I remember a drunk at Aldate East staggering from door to door without pressing a button. Finally he kicked one of the doors and the train moved off.
Drifiting a little off topic to main line stock:
On the GE I remember that the 306s had door open buttons but doors were still guard (I assume) operated.
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Post by silenthunter on Mar 23, 2017 20:53:05 GMT
Standard non-DOO procedure is that the guard unlocks the doors via a panel allowing for the passengers to open the doors by pressing the individual buttons; but they would all be closed and locked by the guard before right of way was given.
306s were withdrawn before DOO came in, so they always had guards. As did the 315s when they arrived.
Did D Stock ever have guards?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 20:59:32 GMT
Yes they did have guards but not for very long
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 21:38:54 GMT
It is interesting that the D-Stock started off with Passenger Door Open facilities (PDO) when new, but (PDO) was removed on refurbishment, and they will get (PDO) facilities once more, once converted into the D-Trains by Vivarail - Some things do really come round in Circles!!
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Post by superteacher on Mar 23, 2017 21:53:22 GMT
Yes they did have guards but not for very long Think the District when driver only in 1985. |
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Post by philthetube on Mar 23, 2017 22:22:39 GMT
It is interesting that the D-Stock started off with Passenger Door Open facilities (PDO) when new, but (PDO) was removed on refurbishment, and they will get (PDO) facilities once more, once converted into the D-Trains by Vivarail - Some things do really come round in Circles!! But not everything, D stock only cleared for south side of circle.  |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 23, 2017 23:23:33 GMT
Yes they did have guards but not for very long Think the District when driver only in 1985. 4 November 1985, to be exact ! (remember it well!) |
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