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Post by Colin on Mar 14, 2022 17:05:08 GMT
Is there any update on a possible start to construction of the planned Farringdon City Sidings, on the site of the City Widened Lines? I would imagine big projects like this are now very dependant on what finances are available given that TfL are currently heavily reliant on Government funding..... |
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Post by Chris L on Mar 14, 2022 17:15:54 GMT
Is there any update on a possible start to construction of the planned Farringdon City Sidings, on the site of the City Widened Lines? I would imagine big projects like this are now very dependant on what finances are available given that TfL are currently heavily reliant on Government funding..... and whether they are now needed. |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 17, 2022 9:06:40 GMT
Is there any update on a possible start to construction of the planned Farringdon City Sidings, on the site of the City Widened Lines? I presume they will be required for the planned 32tph service. Seems to have shifted from being a project to provide 32tph stabling to a replacement for Lillie Bridge sidings. |
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Post by roman80 on Mar 17, 2022 19:22:55 GMT
Is SMA5 go live still planned for March 26/27?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 17, 2022 20:15:28 GMT
Is SMA5 go live still planned for March 26/27? Yes |
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Post by ijmad on Mar 18, 2022 0:35:28 GMT
It's hard for me to tell as a layperson given I commute into London so much less than I used to these days, but has all this additional time allowed them to sort out all the issues in the migrated areas? Are the lines running better than they were after SMA4 was commissioned? Have there been major software releases and/or tweaks to equipment?
Interesting to think that with SMA5 in place, obviously the whole Circle will be CBTC, but also all the flat/conflicting junctions on the SSR will be computer controlled, apart from a couple out in the far North/West.
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Post by jimbo on Mar 18, 2022 1:11:03 GMT
Is there any update on a possible start to construction of the planned Farringdon City Sidings, on the site of the City Widened Lines? I presume they will be required for the planned 32tph service. Seems to have shifted from being a project to provide 32tph stabling to a replacement for Lillie Bridge sidings. That means it will finally go ahead, funded by the Earl's Court developer, to be completed by 2024. This scheme has long been planned in great detail on existing track bed, so probably cheaper and quicker than earlier proposals for Lillie Bridge replacements. With overnight stabling at the Farringdon tunnel mouth and also in Moorgate Met. bay roads, will provide the required 12 roads to replace Lillie Bridge. But will new Parsons Green and Chiswick Park stabling be required with time, as it was originally intended in addition to Farringdon City? |
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Post by Tom on Mar 18, 2022 13:30:24 GMT
I'm not so sure about that. I've been to a couple of meetings about the Lillie Bridge replacement and 2027 seems to be the 'drop dead' date, with Parsons Green and Chiswick Park taking the trains that were stabled at Lillie Bridge.
Feasibility studies are due to start shortly for Chiswick Park as the closeness of the proposed sidings to the Network Rail boundary will need quite careful consideration.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2022 20:13:21 GMT
I'm not so sure about that. I've been to a couple of meetings about the Lillie Bridge replacement and 2027 seems to be the 'drop dead' date, with Parsons Green and Chiswick Park taking the trains that were stabled at Lillie Bridge. Feasibility studies are due to start shortly for Chiswick Park as the closeness of the proposed sidings to the Network Rail boundary will need quite careful consideration. Unless a shunt wrong direction move is carried out back to Turnham Green. Plans I saw for the run down to Gunnersbury shows it as a double siding on a single road |
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Post by jimbo on Mar 19, 2022 19:13:19 GMT
Would it be worth establishing a remote stabling location for only two trains? The Finance Committee paper back in June suggested six trains at Chiswick Park and six at Parsons Green. I could only imagine six there with two sidings of three each. The site is cramped, but back in 2003 consultation for Crossrail had it surfacing there to take over the Richmond branch to Kingston. That would have fitted two tracks between the two westbound District roads, but maybe would have slewed the current westbound branch track south temporarily, to be removed when Crossrail services commenced.
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Post by spsmiler on Mar 21, 2022 1:13:39 GMT
Is SMA5 go live still planned for March 26/27? Yes That is next weekend! So, the Inner Circle will become fully automated. But will be offer a cause for a celebration - or damage limitation? I think the answer will be found when everyone sees how well the computers cope with the multiple locations where routes join / diverge. Hopefully the new speed limits will not cause delays (nor slower journeys, as per the northern side of the circle) |
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Post by jimbo on Mar 21, 2022 4:19:46 GMT
Traffic Circular 2 of 2019 stated "From start of traffic on Tuesday 15 January 2019, Shadow Mode Running (SMR) will be in place in the SMA0.5 to SMA5 areas (inclusive)". That's over three years now, so hopefully any snags have been ironed out!
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 21, 2022 7:47:08 GMT
That is next weekend! So, the Inner Circle will become fully automated. But will be offer a cause for a celebration - or damage limitation? I think the answer will be found when everyone sees how well the computers cope with the multiple locations where routes join / diverge. Hopefully the new speed limits will not cause delays (nor slower journeys, as per the northern side of the circle) Indeed, Friday evening should be the last time coloured lights are seen around the Earl’s Court area. Some of the older generation drivers looked in trepidation at the Staff Circular regarding maximum permissible speeds around SMA 5, with a “60” quoted for Notting Hill>High Street westbound and an assortment of “55” and “53” thrown in! Speeds not attained in manual operation of S Stock (District) or in these sections with previous Stock. |
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Post by A60stock on Mar 21, 2022 11:29:16 GMT
As a regular commuter using the section between baker st and aldgate:
Prior to automation, trains often crawled, stopping and starting inbetween stations and moving very slowly. Since automation I have noted that this is much improved, almost no crawling and only stopping if a train was in the platform ahead. This has been a welcome change.
I do hope that on the sections of the met where drives really do reach the max speed on the s stock or even exceed it at times (62mph or slightly more on downhill), that automation does not slow this down.
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Post by Chris L on Mar 21, 2022 20:50:27 GMT
That is next weekend! So, the Inner Circle will become fully automated. But will be offer a cause for a celebration - or damage limitation? I think the answer will be found when everyone sees how well the computers cope with the multiple locations where routes join / diverge. Hopefully the new speed limits will not cause delays (nor slower journeys, as per the northern side of the circle) Really useful date chosen for a clash with London Irish playing Northampton in the St Patrick's Party game. Biggest crowd of their season at the Brentford Community Stadium. Only left with the half hourly service between Waterloo and Kew Bridge. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2022 20:52:42 GMT
Traffic Circular 2 of 2019 stated "From start of traffic on Tuesday 15 January 2019, Shadow Mode Running (SMR) will be in place in the SMA0.5 to SMA5 areas (inclusive)". That's over three years now, so hopefully any snags have been ironed out! You do realise Thales installed this There is a few snags to work on and still a few past go live whenever that will be |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 21, 2022 21:09:42 GMT
Really useful date chosen for a clash with London Irish playing Northampton in the St Patrick's Party game. Biggest crowd of their season at the Brentford Community Stadium. Only left with the half hourly service between Waterloo and Kew Bridge. District trains will be serving Gunnersbury and Richmond from 11.30 on Saturday (running without passengers between Sloane Square and Barons Court), changing from Piccadilly Line at Hammersmith or Barons Court will be fine |
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Post by Colin on Mar 21, 2022 21:09:53 GMT
Really useful date chosen for a clash with London Irish playing Northampton in the St Patrick's Party game. Biggest crowd of their season at the Brentford Community Stadium. Only left with the half hourly service between Waterloo and Kew Bridge. The District is running to Richmond. Trains are only running empty through the SMA5 area. I don’t understand why they have to run empty through that section - I’ve questioned it and the answer given didn’t really offer sensible reasoning. Bottom line though is the choice of date has to fit around things like planned possessions, other major events that affect parts of London Underground, etc. If LU worked it’s planned closures around every event in London they’d never get anything done! There’s been many a West Ham (when they were at Upton Park) or Chelsea home game that had no District line service yet their matches went ahead successfully. In fact there’s even been matches and events at Twickenham with no District line to Richmond yet they passed off just fine. |
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Post by rincew1nd on Mar 21, 2022 21:11:23 GMT
That is next weekend! So, the Inner Circle will become fully automated. But will be offer a cause for a celebration - or damage limitation? I think the answer will be found when everyone sees how well the computers cope with the multiple locations where routes join / diverge. Hopefully the new speed limits will not cause delays (nor slower journeys, as per the northern side of the circle) Really useful date chosen for a clash with London Irish playing Northampton in the St Patrick's Party game. Biggest crowd of their season at the Brentford Community Stadium. Only left with the half hourly service between Waterloo and Kew Bridge. Indeed, you would have thought they'd have checked if there were planned engineering works before setting the location for such an important game! |
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Post by d7666 on Mar 21, 2022 21:13:47 GMT
Traffic Circular 2 of 2019 stated "From start of traffic on Tuesday 15 January 2019, Shadow Mode Running (SMR) will be in place in the SMA0.5 to SMA5 areas (inclusive)". That's over three years now, so hopefully any snags have been ironed out! You do realise Thales installed this There is a few snags to work on and still a few past go live whenever that will be t the h hassle a always l lies in e electronic s systems there is one for s i e m e n s too but it's in German and I need look it up. Not applicable now since they don't exist but a auspacken e einschalten g geht nicht = unpack, switch on, it does not work EDIT s sicher i ist e eins m man e erhaelt n nur s scheiss = one thing is sure, you get only sugar; well something like that off topic drifting.......... |
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Post by MoreToJack on Mar 21, 2022 21:19:54 GMT
Really useful date chosen for a clash with London Irish playing Northampton in the St Patrick's Party game. Biggest crowd of their season at the Brentford Community Stadium. Only left with the half hourly service between Waterloo and Kew Bridge. The District is running to Richmond. Trains are only running empty through the SMA5 area. I don’t understand why they have to run empty through that section - I’ve questioned it and the answer given didn’t really offer sensible reasoning. Bottom line though is the choice of date has to fit around things like planned possessions, other major events that affect parts of London Underground, etc. If LU worked it’s planned closures around every event in London they’d never get anything done! There’s been many a West Ham (when they were at Upton Park) or Chelsea home game that had no District line service yet their matches went ahead successfully. In fact there’s even been matches and events at Twickenham with no District line to Richmond yet they passed off just fine. We've had big Wembley Stadium events with nothing at all at Wembley Park... |
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Post by billbedford on Mar 22, 2022 7:36:05 GMT
Some of the older generation drivers looked in trepidation at the Staff Circular regarding maximum permissible speeds around SMA 5, with a “60” quoted for Notting Hill>High Street westbound and an assortment of “55” and “53” thrown in! Speeds not attained in manual operation of S Stock (District) or in these sections with previous Stock. Should we read those numbers as mph or Km/h? |
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Post by Chris L on Mar 22, 2022 7:37:57 GMT
Really useful date chosen for a clash with London Irish playing Northampton in the St Patrick's Party game. Biggest crowd of their season at the Brentford Community Stadium. Only left with the half hourly service between Waterloo and Kew Bridge. Indeed, you would have thought they'd have checked if there were planned engineering works before setting the location for such an important game! The fixtures were announced a long time ago. |
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Post by Chris L on Mar 22, 2022 7:41:01 GMT
Really useful date chosen for a clash with London Irish playing Northampton in the St Patrick's Party game. Biggest crowd of their season at the Brentford Community Stadium. Only left with the half hourly service between Waterloo and Kew Bridge. The District is running to Richmond. Trains are only running empty through the SMA5 area. I don’t understand why they have to run empty through that section - I’ve questioned it and the answer given didn’t really offer sensible reasoning. Bottom line though is the choice of date has to fit around things like planned possessions, other major events that affect parts of London Underground, etc. If LU worked it’s planned closures around every event in London they’d never get anything done! There’s been many a West Ham (when they were at Upton Park) or Chelsea home game that had no District line service yet their matches went ahead successfully. In fact there’s even been matches and events at Twickenham with no District line to Richmond yet they passed off just fine. From the TfL Website just to confuse everyone. DISTRICT LINE: Saturday 26, from 1100, and all day Sunday 27 March, no service between Sloane Square / Edgware Road and Fulham Broadway / Kensington Olympia / Barons Court. Replacement buses operate. DISTRICT LINE: Saturday 26 and Sunday 27 March, no service between Earls Court and Richmond / Ealing Broadway. Replacement buses operate. |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 22, 2022 7:48:47 GMT
Should we read those numbers as mph or Km/h? Thankfully still MPH on Sub-Surface! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2022 18:52:46 GMT
Should we read those numbers as mph or Km/h? Thankfully still MPH on Sub-Surface! The actual system sets limits at KPH but the conversion is done on the train so train operators can drive them manually correctly if need be |
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Post by Tom on Mar 22, 2022 20:08:01 GMT
Indeed, you would have thought they'd have checked if there were planned engineering works before setting the location for such an important game! The fixtures were announced a long time ago. So are possession dates. TfL can't wait until (for example) the premier league fixtures are set to determine possession dates, otherwise we wouldn't be able to plan possessions between August and May until the previous season has ended. I can remember a Christmas Possession in the Earl's Court area in 2013 where the possession was taken on Christmas Eve night, work took place on Christmas day before it had to be partially reinstated and handed back to allow a Boxing Day service to run purely for football traffic to Chelsea. It meant that everything had to be done twice, once on the 24th and 25th and again on the 26th and 30th respectively. |
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Post by Colin on Mar 22, 2022 20:54:43 GMT
The fixtures were announced a long time ago. How long is a long time ago? I've just checked when the decision was made for SMA5's go live date. Might be an interesting comparison!..... |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 22, 2022 21:35:59 GMT
Should we read those numbers as mph or Km/h? Thankfully still MPH on Sub-Surface! The actual system sets limits at KPH but the conversion is done on the train so train operators can drive them manually correctly if need be Therefore I apologise to billbedford as the Staff Circular for SMA 5 has the speeds incorrectly marked as mph rather than the correct kph. |
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Post by rincew1nd on Mar 22, 2022 21:45:24 GMT
Indeed, you would have thought they'd have checked if there were planned engineering works before setting the location for such an important game! The fixtures were announced a long time ago. Network Rail scheduled engineering work on the West Coast mainline in 2019, yet the FA have scheduled a game next month at Wembley. The game is to be played between Liverpool and Manchester teams. BBC News - Liverpool and Manchester mayors want FA Cup semi-final switched from Wembley www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60842200 |
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