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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 15:56:23 GMT
I was at Edgware Road earlier and was surprised to see a stock and crew change between a H&C and a District so shows there is still trains out there with defective ATO equipment It's not necessarily defective equipment, it might be that the VOBC has not had it's commissioning test, and it had been placed on the wrong path. Before any of S stock can go into a SMA area for the first time, it needs to be commissioned in all senarios of running to prove that all the lines of communication and components are fully working.
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Post by ijmad on Aug 28, 2019 18:31:36 GMT
SMA1/SMA2 still happening this weekend?
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Post by scheduler on Aug 28, 2019 18:41:12 GMT
Well at the moment, yes, but is is only Wednesday, they might change their mind tomorrow! Sorry for the sarcasm, but it is an incredibly complex section of track, and I think therefore there's a high chance of it not going to plan, in my opinion. But we shall see what happens.
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Post by goldenarrow on Aug 28, 2019 19:18:13 GMT
ijmad and scheduler , The Monday to Thursday service for the Metropolitan line has had to be reduced as mitigation should the commissioning go ahead as stated.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 19:42:23 GMT
SMA1/SMA2 still happening this weekend? All systems go
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Post by MoreToJack on Aug 29, 2019 0:24:38 GMT
Well at the moment, yes, but is is only Wednesday, they might change their mind tomorrow! Sorry for the sarcasm, but it is an incredibly complex section of track, and I think therefore there's a high chance of it not going to plan, in my opinion. But we shall see what happens. Perhaps let's leave the guessing games for elsewhere, all systems are very much go with all of the revenant information being issued to those who need it. I have every confidence this forum will be one of the first places to know when things go to plan, particularly around the Edgware Road area. Can't think why. π There will be teething problems and delays, because we live in the real world and that's what happens. As mentioned, Met services are being reduced in part to mitigate any of these problems. Finally... because, it seems relevant: Praed Street Junction is not complex. (Having that as my epitaph.)
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Post by DWS on Aug 29, 2019 7:22:19 GMT
Well at the moment, yes, but is is only Wednesday, they might change their mind tomorrow! Sorry for the sarcasm, but it is an incredibly complex section of track, and I think therefore there's a high chance of it not going to plan, in my opinion. But we shall see what happens. Perhaps let's leave the guessing games for elsewhere, all systems are very much go with all of the revenant information being issued to those who need it. I have every confidence this forum will be one of the first places to know when things go to plan, particularly around the Edgware Road area. Can't think why. π There will be teething problems and delays, because we live in the real world and that's what happens. As mentioned, Met services are being reduced in part to mitigate any of these problems. Finally... because, it seems relevant: Praed Street Junction is not complex. (Having that as my epitaph.) I agree that the Edware Road Met and Praed Street Junction is not complex, as a 15 year old ROA in 1963 I learned how to work the frame in the off peak ! Baker Street area is much more complicated, 6 platforms and junction, back in 1963 , off peak no through service to Aldgate/ Liverpool Street. King Leaver for platforms 5 & 6.ππ
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Post by spsmiler on Aug 30, 2019 20:14:09 GMT
looking forward to many more platforms where white lights tell passengers that it is time for the driver to close the doors and initiate station departure
as for complexity, well we know its been tested and found to work - of course things can go wrong, but even more likely is that things will go well
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Post by londonstuff on Aug 31, 2019 13:57:14 GMT
I was nearby today so had a brief look. As with other automatic lines, acceleration seems pretty quick. imgur.com/a/ET6BgZW
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Post by beingcharley on Aug 31, 2019 14:01:40 GMT
Edgware Road OP cabin closed as planned at 0125 last night; the final train left at 0103 and crossed Praed Street Junction at 0105. I had the privilege of being the last signal operator to work the frame. Our own timbo popped along for a couple of hours to take a look at the workings of the frame, with this little live video providing a bit of an insight - apologies it cuts off at the end! Testing seems to be progressing well so far today and tomorrow, with the system planned to enter revenue service from Monday morning. It would also be remiss not to mention that the first Met desk/next desk at Baker Street Signalling Control Centre closed at a similar time to Edgware Road. Edgware Road B/OP signal cabin - 10 October 1926 ~ 31 August 2019.
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Post by 100andthirty on Aug 31, 2019 17:26:13 GMT
I last visited Edgware Road signal cabin in the 1990s, and had a little involvement in all the work to adapt is and the signalling for S7s. Whilst it is a piece of heritage passing into history, it wasn't all that great for customers. Many a time I've stood on the station waiting for a train towards Kings Cross with poor information about when the next train is due.
I think it's also fitting that having been brought into use by a man (I cant say this for certain but would make a healthy wager!) it is taken out of use by a woman. It illustrates that at least some progress has been made in the last 90 years. Congratulations to Jessica!
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Post by spsmiler on Sept 1, 2019 16:31:36 GMT
So if this is from 1926 then it was built by the Metropolitan Railway? ... and because of its location was designed to also control the (never built) junction where locomotive hauled trains travelling via the planned relief line from the Kilburn area met the existing route just to the west of this station?
In mentioning the relief line I am thinking of the route that was not built because the government issued new emergency evacuation requirements for trains that use tube tunnels which were incompatible with the Met's slam door trains.
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Post by spsmiler on Sept 1, 2019 16:56:34 GMT
I was watching this tweet by Charlie - the display is counter-intuitive because maps and diagrams normally show west as being to the left.
As a schoolboy I always wished that I could control the trains, especially at Aldgate East when two or even three eastbound District line trains pushed in front of the train I was (impatiently) waiting on - which would have been a Met line train from Liverpool Street (in those days the Hammersmith & City was still part of the Met).
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Post by Dstock7080 on Sept 1, 2019 17:13:55 GMT
I was watching this tweet by Charlie - the display is counter-intuitive because maps and diagrams normally show west as being to the left. The diagram is aligned exactly to what the Staff can see from the cabin windows; ie. East to left, West to right Other cabins similarly βwrongβ include: Harrow, Rayners Lane, Baker Street, Ealing Broadway, Acton Town, Hammersmith (H&C), Whitechapel, Barking, Upminster, Parsons Green, East Putney, White City etc.
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Post by rincew1nd on Sept 1, 2019 18:53:39 GMT
I was watching this tweet by Charlie - the display is counter-intuitive because maps and diagrams normally show west as being to the left. Since when has anything about the UndergrounD been "normal"? Every Block Post I have worked in has had the diagram aligned to match the position of the Blockman, left on the diagram is to your left. I believe the convention in Network Rail [IECCs and ROCs] is that "Up" is to the left, geography is nothing to do with it. PS. I think you spelt Charley wrong. Edit to clarify: In a traditional box on NR left is left and right is right, with the position of the Signaller and their frame being marked on the diagram. In an IECC and the like up is left, such that if you are in the NRM at York watching the signalling feeds from York IECC a train on the diagram will move from left to right whilst the one you see in front of you moves right to left. My key point stands, Edgware Road is normal. Ish.
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Post by jimbo on Sept 2, 2019 0:11:02 GMT
Does the securing of Royal Oak crossover mean the end of ground frames on LU running lines?
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Post by DWS on Sept 2, 2019 5:38:50 GMT
Does the securing of Royal Oak crossover mean the end of ground frames on LU running lines? Yes the existing hand worked crossover west of Royal Oak will be permanently secured out of use. This crossover will be plain lined at a later date. As far as I know this was not a ground frame , just hand worked points .
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Post by ijmad on Sept 2, 2019 9:10:06 GMT
Severe delays just after service began this morning, now minor delays across the line.
Can anyone on the inside give a view on what the cause of these delays is all about?
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Post by Colin on Sept 2, 2019 9:29:28 GMT
Lack of appropriately trained drivers. The Met line seems to have been caught out in not getting their driver training delivered on time.
The CBTC system itself is working perfectly well.
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Post by dm1 on Sept 2, 2019 9:36:59 GMT
Lack of appropriately trained drivers. The Met line seems to have been caught out in not getting their driver training delivered on time. The CBTC system itself is working perfectly well. Does that mean the faulty train being reported isn't actually a faulty train? Is that to do with drivers needing to drive manually (in restricted manual?) as part of their training, as mentioned earlier? On an unrelated note, it will be interesting to see which line is now faster between Finchley Road and Baker Street. Have speed limits there been changed at all?
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Post by ijmad on Sept 2, 2019 9:52:10 GMT
Lack of appropriately trained drivers. The Met line seems to have been caught out in not getting their driver training delivered on time. The CBTC system itself is working perfectly well. Wow, that is incredibly disappointing, especially considering this is several weeks later than was originally planned anyway.
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Post by Colin on Sept 2, 2019 9:54:56 GMT
Does that mean the faulty train being reported isn't actually a faulty train? I'm not aware of a faulty train being reported but if there was, I'd suggest there actually was a faulty train. There could be 1001 reasons for a train developing a fault, so it may or may not have been CBTC related. Maybe someone with first hand knowledge can clarify.... Is that to do with drivers needing to drive manually (in restricted manual?) as part of their training, as mentioned earlier? The manual driving requirement that I referred to is done under the guidance of the CBTC system, not restricted mode. Drivers follow the speeds and distances given to them by the CBTC system. Restricted mode is driving a train outside the protection of the CBTC system (hence being limited to 10mph). The aforementioned faulty train may have needed to be moved in restricted mode if the fault was CBTC related and at 10mph, that would cause a noticeable delay!
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Post by ijmad on Sept 2, 2019 10:47:25 GMT
Looks like they're now reporting a faulty train at Finchley Road.
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Post by dagdave on Sept 2, 2019 12:07:11 GMT
Incidentally, the Track Recording Vehicle recorded in and out of platforms 2 and 3 at Edgware Road on Friday, the last ever time in tripcock mode. We were filmed so hopefully that footage will turn up somewhere.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Sept 2, 2019 12:14:58 GMT
Incidentally, the Track Recording Vehicle recorded in and out of platforms 2 and 3 at Edgware Road on Friday, the last ever time in tripcock mode. We were filmed so hopefully that footage will turn up somewhere. Indeed!:
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Post by dagdave on Sept 2, 2019 13:07:10 GMT
Many thanks for that!
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Post by alpinejohn on Sept 2, 2019 18:53:26 GMT
Given this phase of the new signalling system introduction impacts services on District, Circle, Hammersmith & City and Metropolitan, it is promising to see that the TFL status updates are only reporting slight delays on the Metropolitan with the other lines showing good service.
My only reservation is whether the service performance level updates are being assessed against what would be the normal service pattern for a Monday or simply how the new signalling system is performing against the reduced service levels announced before the new signalling went live.
If it is the latter, I assume LU do not intend to permanently abandon using platforms 1&4 at Baker Street to turn some services. Presumably in the next day or so, they will be ready to reprogram the signalling to open up those platforms and revert to a normal(ish) service pattern on the Metropolitan by this time next week.
Looking further ahead I guess potential service enhancements (more peak hour services?) will probably only arise once the new signalling is live on most if not all of the SSR lines - so still a few years off.
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Post by Colin on Sept 2, 2019 19:16:15 GMT
As has been mentioned variously here in this thread or the relevant Metropolitan line thread, Baker Street platforms 1 & 4 have been in use today - the delay status on the Metropolitan line is purely down to not enough CBTC trained drivers being available.
The CBTC system itself is working perfectly well and the Circle, District and Hammersmith & City lines are operating their normal Monday to Friday timetables.
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Post by ijmad on Sept 2, 2019 21:43:30 GMT
Have just been up for a ride. There was an odd gap in the eastbound service at Baker Street but I rather suspect this was due to the fire alert at Kings Cross rather than anything to do with the signalling. Also funny complaint from an H&C T/Op that "priority was being given to all other services before this one" as we were held at a 'red' signal (which of course aren't red any more, yay for anachronisms). Is that a jibe at the computers letting Met services proceed before the Circle and H&C, or just a driver at the end of a long day? Anyway, it seemed to recover rather quickly when things got moving again, so actually a good sign. However, I did notice a couple of false starts where the white light illuminated, and the doors closed a few inches before slamming open again. Not sure what caused this, perhaps one of you insiders can shed light on it. The ride seemed very smooth, much smoother acceleration and precision stopping than when I took a ride on the SMA 0.5 section just after it opened, so I guess kudos for the new software versions smoothing things out! In particular, no problem with the precision stopping at Baker Street P5 where the train has to be very tight to get that last set of doors on coach six in to the platform.
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Post by gals on Sept 2, 2019 22:25:09 GMT
Does anyone know when SMA 3 is due to go live next?
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