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Post by superteacher on Mar 10, 2017 8:26:42 GMT
Service reported as being suspended Marble Arch to North Acton due to derailment of an empty train at White City. Any more details?
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Post by hobbayne on Mar 10, 2017 9:20:27 GMT
Engineers train derailed just west of WHC earlier.
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Post by kevraul26 on Mar 10, 2017 12:16:32 GMT
Hope it's fixed by rush hour, this is my route home!
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Post by robv on Mar 10, 2017 12:44:12 GMT
Looks cleared As line is reporting severe delays only now
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Post by kevraul26 on Mar 10, 2017 16:19:42 GMT
Still delays, now only minor. Might be forced to wait in the pub until it's clear!
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Post by John Tuthill on Mar 10, 2017 17:07:05 GMT
Still delays, now only minor. Might be forced to wait in the pub until it's clear! The stresses of being a commuter
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 17:41:06 GMT
Apparently it was a crane that had derailed.
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Post by robv on Mar 10, 2017 19:13:50 GMT
Apparently it was a crane that had derailed. Yes a few pictures doing the rounds on twitter
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Post by kevraul26 on Mar 13, 2017 16:07:04 GMT
Saw the crane this am!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 19:11:31 GMT
Yep half of the train is sitting in the West sidings, the other half got put away in the East sidings but unsure if it's still there, it's more than likely returned to Ruislip depot by now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 17:59:16 GMT
Service reported as being suspended Marble Arch to North Acton due to derailment of an empty train at White City. Any more details? A set of points were clipped and scotched but the train went to transverse over them set the wrong way and it tried to push the points over. The wheels rode up on the rails and came off
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 18:18:35 GMT
Service reported as being suspended Marble Arch to North Acton due to derailment of an empty train at White City. Any more details? A set of points were clipped and scotched but the train went to transverse over them set the wrong way and it tried to push the points over. The wheels rode up on the rails and came off That's not quite what I heard. I heard the points were scotched and clipped but due to the weight of the train and vibrations etc, the clip worked loose and unsecured the points.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 18:29:30 GMT
I'm going on information which was being talked about by various internal people on Monday morning
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Post by dagdave on Mar 15, 2017 12:28:33 GMT
I wish reports were less bland than they have become when reporting any incident. All morning it was reported that "an empty train" had derailed, so most people assumed an empty passenger train. What harm would there have been in reporting it as "an engineers train"?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 17:44:09 GMT
I wish reports were less bland than they have become when reporting any incident. All morning it was reported that "an empty train" had derailed, so most people assumed an empty passenger train. What harm would there have been in reporting it as "an engineers train"? It was being reported as just that online.
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Post by harbour on Mar 15, 2017 19:21:15 GMT
The driver of our District Line train from Wimbledon announced the delay as due to a derailed engineering train, which was more than usually informative. Top marks, that man!
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Post by londoner on Mar 15, 2017 20:29:54 GMT
Will this be something RAIB (Rail Accident Investigation Branch) investigates?
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Post by MoreToJack on Mar 15, 2017 20:36:51 GMT
Initially the incident was reported publicly by TfL as a derailed engineer's train, but this was soon changed to just a derailment.
Realistically, to passengers, it makes no difference what type of train it is. TfL like to keep things simple, and in this circumstance (likewise the Tramlink incident) was probably the correct thing to do.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Mar 15, 2017 20:43:07 GMT
Realistically, to passengers, it makes no difference what type of train it is. Some may be reassured to learn that it was not an in-service passenger train that was involved. National Rail TOCs also like to tell you if a freight train was at fault, as it carries the subtext "don't blame us - wasn't our fault"
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Post by Chris M on Mar 15, 2017 21:00:34 GMT
Will this be something RAIB (Rail Accident Investigation Branch) investigates? By law they will have been informed about it, and based on the evidence available to them at the time they will have decided whether an initial investigation was required. If an initial investigation was undertaken, a view will be taken based on that investigation about whether to conduct a full investigation or not based on whether it is likely that there are safety lessons that can be learned from the incident. If they do decide to pursue an investigation a press release will appear on their website, except for very high profile incidents (e.g. the Croydon tram crash) this will usually be between about 1 and 4 weeks after the incident. For example the collapse of the cutting wall in Liverpool happened on 28 February and the investigation was announced on 13 March. Trackworkers were struck by ballast near Chathill in Northumbria on 16 February and the investigation was announced on 2 March. At any point, if new evidence comes to light, the incident turns out to be more serious than first thought, or the RAIB has concerns about the internal investigation they cna choose to commence their own investigation at this point. For example the incident at Baildon, West Yorkshire where trains ran over a washed out embankment occurred on 7 June 2016 but paragraph 42 of the report states "Although the RAIB was aware of the washout soon afterwards, it was not aware that passenger trains had passed over it until 24 June 2016. […] The RAIB was informed of the incident by another source [i.e. not Network Rail or the train operator] and, having made preliminary enquiries, decided to undertake its own investigation." It is certainly the sort of incident that the RAIB will consider investigating, but whether they do or not will be based on information that is not (to my knowledge) presently in the public domain.
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