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Post by spsmiler on Feb 22, 2017 22:42:40 GMT
According to TfL tweets retweeted by "Tweet the Tube" services on portions of the Piccadilly, Hammersmith & City and District Lines plus the entire Circle Line are cancelled due to a lack of "Control Staff" I have never heard of this happening before. What is going on? Too much cutting of expenses to save money / make a fares freeze affordable? Simon twitter.com/tweetthetube |
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Post by trt on Feb 22, 2017 22:51:17 GMT
Sure it wasn't "lack of control OF staff"?
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Post by spsmiler on Feb 22, 2017 22:54:38 GMT
Sure it wasn't "lack of control OF staff"? This is one of the messages: To me it feels like we are sliding in to third world status. Simon |
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Post by snoggle on Feb 22, 2017 22:56:54 GMT
According to TfL tweets retweeted by "Tweet the Tube" services on portions of the Piccadilly, Hammersmith & City and District Lines plus the entire Circle Line are cancelled due to a lack of "Control Staff" I have never heard of this happening before. What is going on? Too much cutting of expenses to save money / make a fares freeze affordable? Given that not all control staff have walked out it can't the things you suggest. It looks to me, given the lines involved, to be a localised issue on the Sub Surface network. The Picc is affected because of the interface with the Met at Rayners Lane. I'd not be astonished if there has been an "event" affecting a member or members of control staff that has resulted in what looks like unpredictable, unofficial action. It's rare, IME, for control staff to act like this. As ever, happy to be corrected. |
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Post by snoggle on Feb 22, 2017 22:59:14 GMT
To me it feels like we are sliding in to third world status. For heaven's sake don't overreact.  The action may, actually, be completely justified. We must wait to find out what's gone on. |
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Post by crusty54 on Feb 23, 2017 2:01:38 GMT
According to TfL tweets retweeted by "Tweet the Tube" services on portions of the Piccadilly, Hammersmith & City and District Lines plus the entire Circle Line are cancelled due to a lack of "Control Staff" I have never heard of this happening before. What is going on? Too much cutting of expenses to save money / make a fares freeze affordable? Given that not all control staff have walked out it can't the things you suggest. It looks to me, given the lines involved, to be a localised issue on the Sub Surface network. The Picc is affected because of the interface with the Met at Rayners Lane. I'd not be astonished if there has been an "event" affecting a member or members of control staff that has resulted in what looks like unpredictable, unofficial action. It's rare, IME, for control staff to act like this. As ever, happy to be corrected. Not sure what Indirect Medical Education has to do with it. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 4:40:32 GMT
According to TfL tweets retweeted by "Tweet the Tube" services on portions of the Piccadilly, Hammersmith & City and District Lines plus the entire Circle Line are cancelled due to a lack of "Control Staff" I have never heard of this happening before. What is going on? Too much cutting of expenses to save money / make a fares freeze affordable? Simon twitter.com/tweetthetubeThey decided to take there meal breaks at the same time at Baker Street |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Feb 23, 2017 4:58:31 GMT
Under the Sub Surface signals upgrade a new control centre for the four lines and the Piccadilly was being built at Hammersmith, I'm not sure if they've moved there yet but if they had that would explain why all those lines were affected. Possibly someone got the flu, they're all shut up together in a room and now everyone else has it so there's a sudden unforeseen staff shortage
Earl's Court was (is?) the District west of Tower Hill up to High Street Kensington and the Piccadilly between Cockfosters, Heathrow and South Harrow. Rayner Lane signal box for everything between South Harrow and Uxbridge.
Baker Street was the Met apart from the bit shared with the Piccadilly, the rest of the Circle and H&C. Not sure about the District Line out to Upminster.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 6:02:12 GMT
Piccadilly will be controlled from Pelham Street once it's ready and Hammersmith is ready to go for SSL.
Baker St does the District around Aldgate junction plus Aldgate East
Whitechapel cabin just does Whitechapel now
Barking cabin does Bromley By Bow to Dagenham East
Upminster cabin does Hornchurch to Upminster
Upminster Depot Tower cabin does Upminster Depot
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Post by aslefshrugged on Feb 23, 2017 6:40:07 GMT
Thanks for the clarification
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Post by tubetraveller on Feb 23, 2017 8:15:54 GMT
According to TfL tweets retweeted by "Tweet the Tube" services on portions of the Piccadilly, Hammersmith & City and District Lines plus the entire Circle Line are cancelled due to a lack of "Control Staff" I have never heard of this happening before. What is going on? Too much cutting of expenses to save money / make a fares freeze affordable? Simon twitter.com/tweetthetubeThey decided to take there meal breaks at the same time at Baker Street I heard this rumour elsewhere too. If true, whoever authorised that has a lot to answer for |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Feb 23, 2017 8:50:25 GMT
According to TfL tweets retweeted by "Tweet the Tube" services on portions of the Piccadilly, Hammersmith & City and District Lines plus the entire Circle Line are cancelled due to a lack of "Control Staff" I have never heard of this happening before. What is going on? Too much cutting of expenses to save money / make a fares freeze affordable? Simon twitter.com/tweetthetubeThey decided to take there meal breaks at the same time at Baker Street I've worked on the Tube for 19 years and while I've heard some pretty stupid things I find that a little hard to believe. |
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Post by snoggle on Feb 23, 2017 9:08:49 GMT
Not sure what Indirect Medical Education has to do with it. Nothing. It stands for "in my experience". |
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Post by trt on Feb 23, 2017 10:54:30 GMT
Not sure what Indirect Medical Education has to do with it. Nothing. It stands for "in my experience". DNUUA (Do Not Use Unexplained Abbreviations).  I knew what you meant though. |
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Post by domh245 on Feb 23, 2017 10:59:09 GMT
The forum rules do allow for certain abbreviations that you might find on forums, such as IIRC, IM(H)O, etc, IIRC
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Post by Tubeboy on Feb 23, 2017 11:39:51 GMT
Control Desk was running with the minimum level of two staff, so it was decided for both staff to have a break at the same time. Hence the disruption.
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Post by vato on Feb 23, 2017 11:45:49 GMT
"it was decided for both staff to have a break at the same time"
by whom? management? rota? something else?
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Post by Chris M on Feb 23, 2017 11:50:58 GMT
If there are only two staff, and the room cannot operate with fewer than that then both having their meal break at the same time is sensible - if they go together you have no service for 30 minute, if they go consecutively you have no service for 60 minutes (assuming meal breaks are 30 minutes, but the logic is the same however long they are).
The actual problem is that the room was running with the minimum number of staff in the first place as you need minimum +1 to allow for meal breaks.
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Post by PiccNT on Feb 23, 2017 12:34:00 GMT
So what happens? If they go at the same time, do they stop all trains where they are, in stations preferably?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Feb 23, 2017 13:19:19 GMT
So what happens? If they go at the same time, do they stop all trains where they are, in stations preferably? Trains were cleared from the area of control first. |
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Post by crusty54 on Feb 23, 2017 13:41:49 GMT
The forum rules do allow for certain abbreviations that you might find on forums, such as IIRC, IM(H)O, etc, IIRC doesn't help unless you know them |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 14:12:19 GMT
Baker Street was the Met apart from the bit shared with the Piccadilly, the rest of the Circle and H&C. Not sure about the District Line out to Upminster. Not quite Baker Street does Minories Junction and Aldgate East to around Preston Road. Harrow-on-the-Hill cabin takes over at Northwick Park and controls the line essentially as far as Moor Park and West Harrow, although the northbound fast doesn't even have any track circuit indications on the panel diagram. Rickmansworth cabin then takes over from Moor Park to Watford and Rickmansworth, before Amersham cabin takes over around Chorleywood to take us to Chesham and Amersham, fringing with Marylebone IECC to the north, of course, which handles the Chiltern line as far as Aylesbury and Aylesbury Vale Parkway. Edgware Road is still handled by Edgware Road cabin and Hammersmith (Met) by Hammersmith cabin. |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Feb 23, 2017 15:38:11 GMT
So much easier on the Central Line, you have Wood Lane unless you are moving in Ruislip or Hainault depot. I should have remembered Edgware Road as that was the first place I worked when I joined as an Station Assistant in December 1997.
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Post by rincew1nd on Feb 23, 2017 16:35:50 GMT
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Post by crusty54 on Feb 23, 2017 19:54:09 GMT
with respect I shouldn't need to read it. Plain English is simpler for everyone. |
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Post by twobellstogo on Feb 23, 2017 21:30:33 GMT
with respect I shouldn't need to read it. Plain English is simpler for everyone. A couple of abbreviations (notably IMO) have pretty much passed into common written usage - otherwise yes, I agree crusty54. But this is off topic, so... |
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Feb 23, 2017 22:16:28 GMT
Acronyms/Abbreviations....yet again...... 
It's very, very straightforward everyone..............
You do it like any other decent publication would. The first time you mention a potential acronym in a thread you use the Full Monty version, for example "Platform Train Interface" with "(PTI) in brackets afterwards. Thereafter feel free to use the acronym as and when. Obviously, if the acronym (with its prior explanation) has been used up-thread prior to your post then the initial explanation is unnecessary. It's the polite way to proceed and not open for argument.
This is in green. Mod-Shock. Sort it out please, it's bloody simple. 
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Post by aslefshrugged on Feb 24, 2017 7:16:23 GMT
There are loads of TWAs (three word abbreviations) on the Tube.....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 7:57:59 GMT
There are loads of TWAs (three word abbreviations) on the Tube..... The Underground isn't run off tea, it's run off accronyms! |
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The action may, actually, be completely justified. We must wait to find out what's gone on.
I knew what you meant though.
