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Post by domh245 on Feb 14, 2017 10:02:26 GMT
Came across this interesting article by Gizmodo about a recent month long trial by TfL about tracking mobile devices connected to the tube WiFi. Brief Summary: Route Tracking: TfL can more accurately see passenger flows both between stations In-Station Tracking: They can track movements around stations with various associated benefits (which leads onto the next point) Advertising: They can charge more for "premium" advertising spots where footfall can be proven to be higher. It seems that TfL have also looked into some other tracking project in other modes but it seems that they've only tried the WiFi one so far.
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Post by Chris M on Feb 14, 2017 11:27:34 GMT
Very interesting, thanks for that link.
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Post by arun on Feb 14, 2017 13:08:04 GMT
Shades of "Minority Report" if the adverts change depending on whose mobile is near the advert screen at the time!
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Post by toby on Feb 14, 2017 14:11:11 GMT
It's more "this spot has the most phones within 5m during their use of the station" and less "pseudoscientific parapsychology used to imprison currently innocent people". Other than that yes.
I'd like to see more of the results, especially the path maps.
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Post by trt on Feb 14, 2017 14:21:01 GMT
The journey maps, I can see a use for. Who changes lines where and when to get wherever. The in-station stuff... why didn't they just ask someone who works there? I mean, you don't need to go all NCIS to find out that the Southbound Vic at Euston is the busiest bit. Although... the density of goings in upstairs and the platforms don't seem to tally... there must be a lot of cross-platforming going on. Who'd have thunk all those years ago when they originally put the two southbound lines as they were for ease of interchange that it would end up being a good thing to do? What a lucky guess.
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Post by Chris M on Feb 14, 2017 22:53:18 GMT
A member of staff at a station will be able to tell you which areas are busiest, but not necessarily the route people take around the station. At Bank for example there are four logical routes between the Central Line and DLR: 1. The signposted route to the DLR: western exit from platform, over the westbound tunnel, straight down past the passage to the DLR and then to the DLR interchange passage. 2-4 Use the exit from the Central line platforms signposted to the Northern line, down the spiral stairs and to the end of that passageway. 2 and 3 use the first and second respectively crosspassages to get to the top of the escalators to the DLR level. 4 continues straight ahead to use the the stairs at the south end of the Northern line platforms.
I normally use route 2 or 3, sometimes 1 and only twice I can remember route 4 (once when I was travelling with someone who was interchanging to the eastbound District line but was not confident about the route, and the other occasion I was simply distracted and not paying attention to whereI was going)
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Post by domh245 on Sept 8, 2017 17:20:34 GMT
A slightly more in depth report has now been released Actual ReportGizmodo article on reportIt shows the routes that people take between Kings Cross and Victoria (including a rather odd Kings Cross -> Baker Street -> Oxford Circus -> Green Park -> Waterloo odyssey), the ways in which delays affected the routes people took, flow around stations (including in disruptions), a form of train loading measuring and potential real time display of this information, at stations and in the journey planner. All very interesting stuff again.
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Post by spsmiler on Sept 11, 2017 20:34:48 GMT
I am surprised. No-one wanted nice air-conditioned rides to / from Kings Cross with them changing trains at Embankment (if travelling via Liverpool Street) or Westminster (if travelling via Notting Hill Gate). Admittedly using the Circle Line in this way would have been slower but on a hot summers day it would be more comfortable, and if you have a book / newspaper to read a longish seated journey would be ideal. Maybe the journey takes long enough for some PAYG passengers to find themselves falling foul of journey time limits? The route via west London would have been more scenic, with more open air 'nicer' historic stations, although admittedly unless one is very lucky there would also be the unattractive enforced change at Edgware Road. Because of the very long walk its a mystery quite why people would choose to change trains at Green Park. Unless that is they are "un-knowing" or fancied some exercise? The most arcane routes are those which involved four trains. I never contemplated that anyone would follow either of these routes. Truly bizarre! I suppose that interchanging at Bank requires less walking distance than Green Park but only one of the three routes that include changing trains at Bank station makes sense - this being the Northern Line / W&C interchange. The percentage difference between passengers who chose the Bakerloo Line (3.7%) and the Jubilee Line (0.2%) between Waterloo and Baker Street is a surprise. At Baker Street these lines are right next to each other, so maybe the very different locations of the platforms for the two sets of lines at Waterloo is a significant factor? Simon
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Post by Chris M on Sept 11, 2017 22:01:01 GMT
In comments I've seen elsewhere (although I can't remember where) someone travelled regularly between the two and their normal route is to use the W&C and Northern changing at Bank, the implied reasoning for this preference being that it has the fewest number of intermediate stations - which is not a metric I can only recall using when trying to decide whether the Bakerloo or Jubilee would be the quickest way from Baker Street to Waterloo.
The one time I can recall making a journey between Waterloo and King's Cross without needing to go via anywhere else was several years before I first moved to London as part of an early Saturday Morning Southampton to York journey. On that occasion I changed at Warren Street, although I don't recall now why I chose that route over any other.
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Post by Ben on Sept 12, 2017 0:32:03 GMT
Just to break down usage a bit on the diagrams on page 41. Unsurprisingly most journeys between KX and Waterloo involve a trip on the Victoria (66.4%), followed by the Bakerloo then Jubilee. The line of least use in such journeys was the Circle/District, with only 0.2% of journeys involving it. Unsurprisingly, possibly because of the ease of interchange at Oxo. Thats a particularly important point for planners to heed, as since Phase one Jubilee, the idea of building cross-platform interchange has been totally ignored to the point of hideously inconvenient and lengthy interchanges being justified by such measures as improving crowd phasing. Chelney, as suggested in 1974, would have included cross platform at potentially Victoria (though this might have proved impossible in the end), and Holborn (thanks to the Aldwych branch). On the subject of the Aldwych branch, I suppose one of the unintended conclusions to draw from the trial is that had it been extended to Waterloo as proposed, it would likely have been, because of the lack of intermediate stations and convenience of interchange at Holborn, the most popular routing today, and possibly have had a not insignificant decrease in crowding on the Vic. Hmmmm!! Line | % of customers using | Bakerloo | 38.5%=32+3.7+1.6+1.2 | Central | 1.4%=1.2+0.1+0.1 | Circle/District | 0.2%=0.2 | Circle/H&C/Met | 5.2%=3.7+1.2+0.2+0.1 | Jubilee | 33%=26.7+2.6+2+1.2+0.2+0.2+0.1 | Northern CX | 25.3%=14.9+6.2+2.4+1.7+0.1 | Northern Bank | 5.6%=2+1.8+1.7+0.1 | Picadilly | 20.3%=14.9+2.6+1.6+1.2 | Victoria | 66.4%=32+26.7+6.2+1.2+0.2+0.1 | W&C | 3%=1.8+1.2 |
(It would be more useful to further segregate lines into directions too, but for the purposes of this post its overkill)
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Post by countryman on Sept 12, 2017 8:08:51 GMT
A slightly more in depth report has now been released Actual ReportGizmodo article on reportIt shows the routes that people take between Kings Cross and Victoria (including a rather odd Kings Cross -> Baker Street -> Oxford Circus -> Green Park -> Waterloo odyssey), the ways in which delays affected the routes people took, flow around stations (including in disruptions), a form of train loading measuring and potential real time display of this information, at stations and in the journey planner. All very interesting stuff again. I am a little confused by this and subsequent posts. This post seems to concern King's Cross-Victoria, and other posts King's Cross-Waterloo! Can I assume that Victoria is an error?
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Post by MoreToJack on May 22, 2019 14:30:00 GMT
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Post by futurix on May 22, 2019 17:06:35 GMT
How does this work with modern phones that randomise their IDs (MACs) to avoid this type of tracking?
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