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Post by snoggle on Feb 1, 2017 13:26:46 GMT
The new TfL Board papers are out for the Feb meeting. One item which gives a bit of an update on Crossrail concerns the transition process. content.tfl.gov.uk/board-20170208-item09-crossrail-transition.pdfNo massive shocks in the paper but worth noting that HAL are seeking a Judicial Review of the ORR's ruling on track access costs for Crossrail trains serving Heathrow. TfL also still "considering" increased off peak frequencies, serving Terminal 5 and more trains to Reading.
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Post by Chris W on Feb 2, 2017 22:03:52 GMT
Why does this document, which refers to the delivery of the first class 345 to Ilford in December 2016, have a date stamp of.... 8 February 2016I thought I'd just ask ??
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Post by rincew1nd on Feb 2, 2017 22:57:00 GMT
Probably for the same reason I had to reject a hand-written Controlled Drug prescription* yesterday on the grounds that it was eleven months out of date!
*Prescriptions for Controlled Drugs are valid for 28 days from the signed date.
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Post by Chris W on Feb 3, 2017 8:11:19 GMT
I don't think the TfL paper is a year old...
It includes an image of the delivered class 345 at Ilford depot...!! š
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Post by snoggle on Feb 3, 2017 11:54:42 GMT
I don't think the TfL paper is a year old... It includes an image of the delivered class 345 at Ilford depot...!! š Perhaps it's just a typo? It happens - even on Board Papers. Furthermore the presentation element at the back of the paper is clearly a bit of a rehash of one that was presented a number of months ago on the same topic. The 345 at Ilford is a new addition.
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Post by melikepie on Feb 3, 2017 12:43:49 GMT
We all know the real reason. Time travel. They are ordered, constructed and then delivered before they are even started!
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Post by ducatisti on Feb 3, 2017 13:56:05 GMT
is delay caused by daleks a TOC or a network rail risk?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 11:19:17 GMT
is delay caused by daleks a TOC or a network rail risk? It's not a risk, it's an issue
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2017 14:56:22 GMT
It's a "positive risk", or "opportunity"!
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Post by afarlie on Feb 7, 2017 16:16:20 GMT
We all know the real reason. Time travel. They are ordered, constructed and then delivered before they are even started! ROFL. Next thing you'll be telling me you've seen a "visting" metro car from Bounes Aries on the Circle, lats at night......
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Post by snoggle on Mar 1, 2017 14:14:28 GMT
The papers for the Programmes and Investment Cttee include four papers on Crossrail / Crossrail 2. An updated transition paper - content.tfl.gov.uk/15-crossrail-transition.pdfExtra Elizabeth line services and a rejigged service pattern west of Paddington. This would need 4 extra trains! - content.tfl.gov.uk/16-elizabeth-line.pdfSponsor Board proceedings - worth noting that TfL are now acknowledging that there are cost pressures from the fitting out activities in Central London stns and on modifying existing stations. Looks like some of the project contingency may need to be drawn down. content.tfl.gov.uk/17-crossrail-sponsor-board.pdfCrossrail 2 - interesting to note that Mr Grayling has not yet confirmed that he wishes to see CR2 proceed as per previously agreed timescales. Also confirms that public consultation and commencement of design work has been delayed thus compressing the time available to prepare the Hybrid Bill. content.tfl.gov.uk/18-crossrail-2.pdf
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Post by toby on Mar 4, 2017 10:49:21 GMT
What is the rejigged service pattern? I think it's in Appendix two but what of?
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Post by jukes on Mar 4, 2017 19:12:14 GMT
The papers for the Programmes and Investment Cttee include four papers on Crossrail / Crossrail 2. An updated transition paper - content.tfl.gov.uk/15-crossrail-transition.pdfExtra Elizabeth line services and a rejigged service pattern west of Paddington. This would need 4 extra trains! - content.tfl.gov.uk/16-elizabeth-line.pdfSponsor Board proceedings - worth noting that TfL are now acknowledging that there are cost pressures from the fitting out activities in Central London stns and on modifying existing stations. Looks like some of the project contingency may need to be drawn down. content.tfl.gov.uk/17-crossrail-sponsor-board.pdfCrossrail 2 - interesting to note that Mr Grayling has not yet confirmed that he wishes to see CR2 proceed as per previously agreed timescales. Also confirms that public consultation and commencement of design work has been delayed thus compressing the time available to prepare the Hybrid Bill. content.tfl.gov.uk/18-crossrail-2.pdfCrossrail 2 - Just as Mr Grayling did not want to devolve more services to TfL because it's now under a Labour mayor so my sources tell me he is equally unhappy about the prospect of allowing a Labour mayor to proceed with Crossrail 2, even though its urgently needed NOW, let alone when HS2 opens. So we have the prospect of havoc at Euston when HS2 opens because a small minded politician doesn't want a socialist to build an urgently needed piece of infrastructure. I didn't like Johnson and I don't like Kahn but mayors (of all political shades) will come and go but the urgent needs of the capital for transport enhancements should not be jeopardised by stupid short term political game playing by Grayling. He completely ruined the Prison and Probation services whilst at MoJ and seems intent on doing the same now he's at DfT,
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Post by rincew1nd on Mar 4, 2017 20:13:09 GMT
...Mayors (of all political shades) will come and go but the urgent needs of the capital for transport enhancements should not be jeopardised by stupid short term political game playing... Which is exactly why we try and keep politics out of this forum.
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Post by phil on Mar 5, 2017 10:27:23 GMT
People should note that there is strong opposition to this from NR, the Freight TOCS, GWR and users of outer Thames Valley stations (particularly those who lose their direct trains from the Marlow & Henley branches due to Crossrail) who want to retain the residual FGW service to Reading - with trains that actually contain a decent outer suburban seating layout and toilets. Not for the first time I remind people once Crossrail emerges into the national rail network it is not a tube line and TfL are somewhat delusional if they think they can impose their wishes on others however overcrowded 'their' bit gets. If TfL want to up the frequency west of Paddington and effectively kick all other users off the relief lines, they should start building their own tracks (be that adding to the GWML corridor or heading up to Northolt etc) and not try and take over other peoples stuff.
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Post by Chris M on Mar 5, 2017 11:51:41 GMT
I suspect that this is not a "We are gong to implement this if you give us half a chance" but "This is an option to consider". If the proposal is put forward and rejected TfL can point those wanting the increased frequencies to the rejection as an explanation for why they will not be delivered. That is much better PR wise for TfL's responses to assembly members than being perceived as not listening to their constituents. (TLDR: TfL would prefer to say "can't" than "won't")
Having asked and been refused also makes a better case for getting the funding for more infrastructure than not asking.
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Post by jukes on Mar 5, 2017 18:41:43 GMT
People should note that there is strong opposition to this from NR, the Freight TOCS, GWR and users of outer Thames Valley stations (particularly those who lose their direct trains from the Marlow & Henley branches due to Crossrail) who want to retain the residual FGW service to Reading - with trains that actually contain a decent outer suburban seating layout and toilets. Not for the first time I remind people once Crossrail emerges into the national rail network it is not a tube line and TfL are somewhat delusional if they think they can impose their wishes on others however overcrowded 'their' bit gets. If TfL want to up the frequency west of Paddington and effectively kick all other users off the relief lines, they should start building their own tracks (be that adding to the GWML corridor or heading up to Northolt etc) and not try and take over other peoples stuff. Given the narrow minded petty political views of Chris Grayling he may well turn down this proposal or at least do all he can to frustrate it. His current mantra is to obstruct TfL regardless of the merits of any proposal simply because its currently run by a Labour mayor. Having said that, there is a positive argument to increasing Elizabeth line services west of Paddington but that should not be at the entire expense of GWR services for local passengers. Obviously a compromise is required, albeit the perfect world solution would be expensive additional infrastructure.
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Mar 5, 2017 19:06:01 GMT
People should note that there is strong opposition to this from NR, the Freight TOCS, GWR and users of outer Thames Valley stations (particularly those who lose their direct trains from the Marlow & Henley branches due to Crossrail) who want to retain the residual FGW service to Reading - with trains that actually contain a decent outer suburban seating layout and toilets. Not for the first time I remind people once Crossrail emerges into the national rail network it is not a tube line and TfL are somewhat delusional if they think they can impose their wishes on others however overcrowded 'their' bit gets. If TfL want to up the frequency west of Paddington and effectively kick all other users off the relief lines, they should start building their own tracks (be that adding to the GWML corridor or heading up to Northolt etc) and not try and take over other peoples stuff. Given the narrow minded petty political views of Chris Grayling he may well turn down this proposal or at least do all he can to frustrate it. His current mantra is to obstruct TfL regardless of the merits of any proposal simply because its currently run by a Labour mayor. Having said that, there is a positive argument to increasing Elizabeth line services west of Paddington but that should not be at the entire expense of GWR services for local passengers. Obviously a compromise is required, albeit the perfect world solution would be expensive additional infrastructure. Please re-read the response made to you by Administrator rincew1nd on the previous page and Rule 4a here: Forum Rules. We don't tolerate political opinion on here. Avoid in future please.
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Post by snoggle on Jun 23, 2017 20:15:14 GMT
A new Transition Paper for Lizzie Line Crossrail services has been published for the June Programmes and Investment Cttee. It provides some extra insight on issues related to the introduction of class 345s on the GEML and also the next phase on the GWML which starts next May. Some interesting issues around ETCS signalling into Heathrow! Recruitment of staff for the operation and maintenance of the tunnel core is also under way. content.tfl.gov.uk/pic-20170628-item16-elizabeth-line-transition.pdf
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Post by snoggle on Oct 6, 2017 17:15:28 GMT
TfL have publised a further updated Crossrail Transition paper highlighting current state of introducing class 345, preparations for running to Heathrow from next May and other activities for later phases. Looks like the programme for Phase 2 (Padd - T123/T4) next May is now very tight with significant risk of delay if testing of the new signalling interface on the lines out of Paddington doesn't proceed exactly to schedule. Looks like Oyster ticketing to H'row kicks in next May too. Old Oak Common depot comes into active service from Nov 17 with a phased expansion of facilities there. content.tfl.gov.uk/pic-20171013-agenda-item13.pdf
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Post by snoggle on Dec 5, 2017 1:14:49 GMT
The new Crossrail transition update report has been published. It gives an update on preparations for trial running, take over of services out of Paddington and other things such as rolling stock testing. content.tfl.gov.uk/pic-20171212-item13-elizabeth-line.pdfLooks like the programme is tightening in one or two places with some delays and issues around train reliability, software updates, signalling integration and commencing testing on the Abbey Wood branch. The paper confirms that works have started at Heathrow to install Oyster and Contactless ticketing equipment (I assume validators) and new ticket machines / amended signage too. This confirms that Oyster / Contactless should be switched on at Heathrow from May next year.
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Post by snoggle on Jan 23, 2018 1:42:25 GMT
A further updated progress paper on Crossrail transition has been published as part of the TfL Board Papers for next week. content.tfl.gov.uk/board-20180130-item10-elizabeth-line.pdfThis is quite telling in respect of the takeover of Heathrow Connect come May this year. Class 345 progress So quite a backlog in train acceptance and Derby clearly filling up with trains. Looks like we will be seeing Crossrail trains using Stratford and Paddington portals during 2018 and beyond even if not in passenger service. Some interesting phased maps in Appendix 2 of the paper showing how the Crossrail service builds up in sections.
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Post by Ben on Jan 23, 2018 2:39:12 GMT
Heh, looks like theyre still writing 2017 too...
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Post by jetblast787 on Jan 23, 2018 9:16:49 GMT
Anyone know what is being done to improve reliability on the GWR? If things continue the way they are I won't be surprised if trains are cancelled/more than 10 mins late daily when services start. I'm sure crossrail/MTR/TFL won't like that at all
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Post by snoggle on Jan 31, 2018 13:13:30 GMT
Interesting summary of the discussion on Crossrail issues at the recent TfL Board. rosslydall.wordpress.com/2018/01/31/crossrail-may-miss-december-opening-deadline-after-explosion-and-as-new-trains-suffer-software-problems/Some headlines from the Board discussion. In essence construction is running late at places like Whitechapel and Bond St. At long last someone has confirmed my very long held suspicion that Whitechapel's construction and fit out is way behind where it should be. The East End power connection at Pudding Mill Lane exploded when they switched it on. This has caused a 3 month delay. The electrical equipment was apparently designed incorrectly. This has delayed the start of train testing. They were planning to switch the power on the day of the Board meeting (yesterday) but whether it has happened was still slightly in doubt. A similar installation for the Western power connection is yet to be switched on and has been subject to extensive review to avoid a repeat. Although the guilty supplier was not mentioned the words used by Terry Morgan (who I know of old) suggested he has beyond furious as to what had happened and that a "robust discussion" had been held with the supplier. Software immaturity / unreliability with the class 345s is causing problems with integrated the multiple signalling system interfaces. Back up plan in place to use class 360s into Heathrow from May as class 345's ECTS interface is unlikely to be reliable enough although it does work functionally. Apparently a train has run into Heathrow on 12 and 19 January. The CBTC equipped train is being tested at Old Dalby and is due in London on 16 Feb. It is then expected to run under its own power into the Eastern tunnel section (Abbey Wood - Canary Wharf section) by the end of Feb. Seems the entire programme is now becoming compressed and is having to be managed day to day because some physical works have to be curtailed if train testing is happening. There are also cost pressures emerging - not a surprise because "chuck money at the problem" is often the answer at this late stage of things. Mark Wild (LU MD) and Terry Morgan (Crossrail Chairman) both said there will be an operational railway open in Dec 2018. I do wonder just how "finished" it will be in some places. So lots of "fun" for the Crossrail and TfL teams as the days tick by to December 2018.
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Post by John Tuthill on Jan 31, 2018 14:33:07 GMT
Interesting summary of the discussion on Crossrail issues at the recent TfL Board. rosslydall.wordpress.com/2018/01/31/crossrail-may-miss-december-opening-deadline-after-explosion-and-as-new-trains-suffer-software-problems/Some headlines from the Board discussion. In essence construction is running late at places like Whitechapel and Bond St. At long last someone has confirmed my very long held suspicion that Whitechapel's construction and fit out is way behind where it should be. The East End power connection at Pudding Mill Lane exploded when they switched it on. This has caused a 3 month delay. The electrical equipment was apparently designed incorrectly. This has delayed the start of train testing. They were planning to switch the power on the day of the Board meeting (yesterday) but whether it has happened was still slightly in doubt. A similar installation for the Western power connection is yet to be switched on and has been subject to extensive review to avoid a repeat. Although the guilty supplier was not mentioned the words used by Terry Morgan (who I know of old) suggested he has beyond furious as to what had happened and that a "robust discussion" had been held with the supplier. Software immaturity / unreliability with the class 345s is causing problems with integrated the multiple signalling system interfaces. Back up plan in place to use class 360s into Heathrow from May as class 345's ECTS interface is unlikely to be reliable enough although it does work functionally. Apparently a train has run into Heathrow on 12 and 19 January. The CBTC equipped train is being tested at Old Dalby and is due in London on 16 Feb. It is then expected to run under its own power into the Eastern tunnel section (Abbey Wood - Canary Wharf section) by the end of Feb. Seems the entire programme is now becoming compressed and is having to be managed day to day because some physical works have to be curtailed if train testing is happening. There are also cost pressures emerging - not a surprise because "chuck money at the problem" is often the answer at this late stage of things. Mark Wild (LU MD) and Terry Morgan (Crossrail Chairman) both said there will be an operational railway open in Dec 2018. I do wonder just how "finished" it will be in some places. So lots of "fun" for the Crossrail and TfL teams as the days tick by to December 2018. Q1 Who designed it? Q2 Was it bench/soak tested before delivery to site? Q3 Who is going to pay for this?(Silly question, the punters in the long term no doubt)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2018 14:41:09 GMT
Why does this document, which refers to the delivery of the first class 345 to Ilford in December 2016, have a date stamp of.... 8 February 2016I thought I'd just ask ?? ...and indeed under paragraph 7.3 states "As noted in the paper to the Board in December 2016...".
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jan 31, 2018 15:17:50 GMT
Why does this document, which refers to the delivery of the first class 345 to Ilford in December 2016, have a date stamp of.... 8 February 2016I thought I'd just ask ?? Have you never written the wrong year on anything in the first few weeks of the year? I wrote 2017 on a form only this morning.
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Post by snoggle on Jan 31, 2018 15:21:13 GMT
Q1 Who designed it? Q2 Was it bench/soak tested before delivery to site? Q3 Who is going to pay for this?(Silly question, the punters in the long term no doubt) The company name was not stated in the public section of the Board meeting. There was no reference to the testing process nor to what item of equipment failed. I would be astonished if the public have to pay anything for defective equipment and the subsequent rectification and testing. I would expect Crossrail's procurement people to have ensured the contract covered an issue like liability for defective / incorrectly designed equipment and any consequent liability. Where it would be difficult is the determination and calculation of any "consequential losses" on Crossrail's part. As this is affecting the testing phase of the trains then it could get very involved indeed. Still this is why clients and contractors have commercial and legal teams to handle claim situations.
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Post by Chris W on Jan 31, 2018 20:27:12 GMT
Why does this document, which refers to the delivery of the first class 345 to Ilford in December 2016, have a date stamp of.... 8 February 2016I thought I'd just ask ?? Have you never written the wrong year on anything in the first few weeks of the year? I wrote 2017 on a form only this morning. Indeed I have, as have everyone, however it's not the original typing mistake that I'm flagging.... it's the lack of proof reading / checking !
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