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Post by steveb on Jan 21, 2017 11:17:38 GMT
Some years ago I went to a model railway exhibition with a good friend John Machin..who was an engineer at Stonebridge Park,there was the most amazing Underground layout, featuring a lot of scratch built models....the owner was an I Underground driver that John knew...sadly John died a few years ago so I can't ask him, and I can't say I've seen the layout at Acton...Is there anyone out there who knows who it could be?
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Post by iank on Jan 21, 2017 17:08:35 GMT
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Post by arun on Jan 21, 2017 23:39:43 GMT
Abbey Road was a regular attender at the Easter Depot open weekend. Another possibility is Steve Smith's "London Road" which did have a large number of scratchbuilt ESLs, road and rail LT service vehicles and even the odd small CLR steam loco. Steve is/was on the staff at Neasden. Another possibility, which I never saw at Acton but certainly was on the model railway show circuit, was called Walford and again that employed LT road and rail vehicles.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2017 17:48:32 GMT
I've often wondered why there aren't more Underground layouts.
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Post by class411 on Jan 22, 2017 18:57:04 GMT
I've often wondered why there aren't more Underground layouts. Presumably the expense and lack of variety of the available stock. Plus, of course, if you want to show their USP, namely that they run underground, you could only see them entering/waiting at/leaving stations. Otherwise it's just a normal layout with underground stock. Also, you can only realistically run very limited types of stock on underground lines, whereas most above ground lines could be utilised with quite a lot of different stock.
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Post by rincew1nd on Jan 22, 2017 19:23:04 GMT
I would also suggest that UndergrounD trains are usually fairly long, so no scope to run two carriages and a little tank engine that will fit nicely in your box bedroom.
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Jan 22, 2017 20:29:41 GMT
According to my research, the 1970's television celebrity Hughie Green had an enormous train set. None of it was kept Underground so he was able to find time during an overnight possession to produce the late Paula Yates. Mind the gap.......
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2017 12:09:38 GMT
I was thinking about the rolling stock, more than the fact that it sometimes runs underground in tunnels. I would love to see a District Line version on the open section going down to Richmond, with two trains: one in the District Line white and one in the red using 60s CO/CP stock. But I am aware that such stock would probably have to be a scratch-build.
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Post by brigham on Jan 23, 2017 12:37:30 GMT
There was a TV drama in the '70s featuring such a layout under somebody's floor. Can't remember anything else about it, though. I'd like to see it again.
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Post by programmes1 on Jan 23, 2017 13:53:33 GMT
According to my research, the 1970's television celebrity Hughie Green had an enormous train set. None of it was kept Underground so he was able to find time during an overnight possession to produce the late Paula Yates. Mind the gap....... I am sure he had a flat at Baker Street. I think he was a Met man as he used to couple up with Monica quite a bit.
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Post by crusty54 on Jan 23, 2017 14:05:22 GMT
According to my research, the 1970's television celebrity Hughie Green had an enormous train set. None of it was kept Underground so he was able to find time during an overnight possession to produce the late Paula Yates. Mind the gap....... I am sure he had a flat at Baker Street. I think he was a Met man as he used to couple up with Monica quite a bit. he had two flats in Chiltern Court beside Baker Street station - one to live in and one for the layout
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2017 15:03:38 GMT
I met Paula Yates once, in the street outside her Chelsea house after her and Bob had had another bust up. As usual it was neighbours that called us. By the time we got there Bob had gone but Paula was still on the steps crying.
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Post by programmes1 on Jan 23, 2017 16:02:41 GMT
I am sure he had a flat at Baker Street. I think he was a Met man as he used to couple up with Monica quite a bit. he had two flats in Chiltern Court beside Baker Street station - one to live in and one for the layout That explains why he was the chairman of the Tenants association.
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Post by metman on Jan 23, 2017 21:51:20 GMT
I was thinking about the rolling stock, more than the fact that it sometimes runs underground in tunnels. I would love to see a District Line version on the open section going down to Richmond, with two trains: one in the District Line white and one in the red using 60s CO/CP stock. But I am aware that such stock would probably have to be a scratch-build. You can buy kits of CO/CP stock and R stock. I have some and are currently working on a new R47 NDM.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jan 24, 2017 0:16:30 GMT
one in the District Line white and one in the red using 60s CO/CP stock. On a point of accuracy, pre-war CO/CP stock was always red. It was the similar-looking post-war R stock that came in white/silver as well as red - although I think by 1960 all R stock cars were silver. (There were other differences, such as destination blinds as opposed to boards, internal lighting, number and size of windows etc)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 13:25:52 GMT
one in the District Line white and one in the red using 60s CO/CP stock. On a point of accuracy, pre-war CO/CP stock was always red. It was the similar-looking post-war R stock that came in white/silver as well as red - although I think by 1960 all R stock cars were silver. (There were other differences, such as destination blinds as opposed to boards, internal lighting, number and size of windows etc) Not sure what original stock they were, converted Q or O or P, but in the late 60s and the 70s, the CO/CP Putney Bridge, Richmond trains and Circle Line trains that I took daily from Notting Hill Gate were always red.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jan 25, 2017 0:06:49 GMT
Not sure what original stock they were, converted Q or O or P, but in the late 60s and the 70s, the CO/CP Putney Bridge, Richmond trains and Circle Line trains that I took daily from Notting Hill Gate were always red. O and P stock had all been converted from Metadyne to camshaft control (CO/CP) by about 1960. Until the arrival of the C stock, CO/CP stock was standard fare on all three routes (Circle, H&C, Edgware Rd-Wimbledon) Most Q stock (Q23, Q27, Q31, Q35) had been converted from older G, K, L, or M/N stock on the late 1930s (mainly by fitting power-operated doors) and had various body styles. Only the new-build Q38 cars had the distinctive flared bodyside shared with O, P and, later, R stock. Most trains of Q stock were mixtures of styles - the one illustrating the Wikipedia entry is typical - and a train made up entirely of flared-body Q38 stock would be rare indeed, particularly after 1950 when most of the trailers had been converted to R stock. The last Q stock ran in 1971. 1971 was also the year that R stock was re-formed from a mixture of 6- and 8-car trains into standardised seven-car formations. These would have been too long to run on the Edgware Road branch and so would not have been seen at Notting Hill Gate after that date (and were, I believe, rare even before then) As I mentioned above, all these stocks were originally red, but the R stock was painted silver in the late 1950s (or, in the case of the aliminium-bodied cars, not painted at all).
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Post by metman on Jan 25, 2017 7:36:06 GMT
The CO/CP stock operated on the Circle line till about 1971-2 when it was displaced fully to the district by C69 stock. From the early 1970s CO/CP stock started to be overhauled in 'Bus Red' and started to receive white roundels.
I believe one reason the R stock was painted silver was to distinguish it from the CO/CP stock!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2017 20:27:05 GMT
Not sure what original stock they were, converted Q or O or P, but in the late 60s and the 70s, the CO/CP Putney Bridge, Richmond trains and Circle Line trains that I took daily from Notting Hill Gate were always red. O and P stock had all been converted from Metadyne to camshaft control (CO/CP) by about 1960. Until the arrival of the C stock, CO/CP stock was standard fare on all three routes (Circle, H&C, Edgware Rd-Wimbledon) Most Q stock (Q23, Q27, Q31, Q35) had been converted from older G, K, L, or M/N stock on the late 1930s (mainly by fitting power-operated doors) and had various body styles. Only the new-build Q38 cars had the distinctive flared bodyside shared with O, P and, later, R stock. Most trains of Q stock were mixtures of styles - the one illustrating the Wikipedia entry is typical - and a train made up entirely of flared-body Q38 stock would be rare indeed, particularly after 1950 when most of the trailers had been converted to R stock. The last Q stock ran in 1971. 1971 was also the year that R stock was re-formed from a mixture of 6- and 8-car trains into standardised seven-car formations. These would have been too long to run on the Edgware Road branch and so would not have been seen at Notting Hill Gate after that date (and were, I believe, rare even before then) As I mentioned above, all these stocks were originally red, but the R stock was painted silver in the late 1950s (or, in the case of the aliminium-bodied cars, not painted at all). Also, some of those "flared" body sets which looked silver were actually painted gloss white rather than silver or the flat grey of the unpainted ally carriages.
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Post by metman on Jan 26, 2017 20:47:04 GMT
I believe there were several attempts to get a good silver effect. The lacquer tended to form a cream look over the white. In the end a white/grey finish was used.
The layout known as London Road has done their R stock to show the cream look really well.
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