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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 0:17:18 GMT
Season's greetings! I wonder if any posters know about the details of the Christmas Day tube service which apparently ran up to 1979 (presumably on a very reduced timetable!) Was its demise heralded with a bang or with a whimper and what was the frequency/network coverage like on the Christmas day routes? www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/2015/12/24/when-the-trains-ran-on-christmas-day/
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Post by superteacher on Dec 19, 2016 7:04:27 GMT
1979 was the final year. I'm aware that in the Central line, there was only a service from White City to Leytonstone, and it was something like every 15-30 mins!
I don't think that at the time, it was known that 1979 would be the last year. That decision was taken sometime during 1980.
EDIT: There was a very good article about Christmas Day services in Underground News a few years ago, but it'll take me ages to find it. Maybe someone else can locate and refer to it?
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Post by crusty54 on Dec 19, 2016 7:45:58 GMT
In an effort to reduce staffing costs the final years were free to travel on the Tube and bus services with a sponsor (as New Year's Eve now)
I worked on the publicity poster which showed a wrapped up bus and train. Engineering models from Chiswick and Acton were used.
It was a single shift with a late start with only limited sections of the lines covered. Even then some stations were closed with trains non stopping.
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Post by stapler on Dec 19, 2016 8:13:19 GMT
Yes, a bit like Night Tube, not all sections of all lines were covered. Boxing Day was similar at one time, wasn't it? Only recently has there been a fullish service on the 26th. Seem to remember in 1977 or 8 staying at North Weald, and wanted to get back to Woodford. Rang 222-1234. Rather bleary but determinedly cheerful LT person answered, ..."oh there's a Special Service on the Central Line today. North Weald? .... that means no service!" Had to cram 4 persons into a Triumph Spitfire to get to Epping, whence a service of sorts was running to North Acton/Ealing....
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Post by Colin D on Dec 19, 2016 13:41:27 GMT
1979 was the final year. I'm aware that in the Central line, there was only a service from White City to Leytonstone, and it was something like every 15-30 mins! I don't think that at the time, it was known that 1979 would be the last year. That decision was taken sometime during 1980. EDIT: There was a very good article about Christmas Day services in Underground News a few years ago, but it'll take me ages to find it. Maybe someone else can locate and refer to it? I have just read that item, it appears in February 1979 issue number 206. Back issues (1979-1987) are now available on the LURS web site.
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Post by John Tuthill on Dec 19, 2016 14:19:55 GMT
Season's greetings! I wonder if any posters know about the details of the Christmas Day tube service which apparently ran up to 1979 (presumably on a very reduced timetable!) Was its demise heralded with a bang or with a whimper and what was the frequency/network coverage like on the Christmas day routes? www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/2015/12/24/when-the-trains-ran-on-christmas-day/I'm old enough to remember when buses and LT trains ran on Christmas day, usually between 09:00 and 16:00. I do remember reading years ago that it was the increase in car ownership that gradually saw the demise of these services.
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Post by theblackferret on Dec 19, 2016 16:10:19 GMT
BR Southern Region last did Christmas Day trains in 1970, so, as these feed the Tube, it's surprising there was a still even a vestigial service up until 1979.
Scotland, if Christmas Day fell on a Saturday, still played football league matches on it into the mid-1980's and Boxing Day was treated as a normal working day up there, because they had a New Year's Day bank holiday for years before us. We adopted it as one in 1974, and they adopted Boxing Day as one in 1974, too.
Interestingly enough, Christmas Day has never been legislated for in England & Wales as an official Bank Holiday, unlike Scotland.
I can last recall a post on Christmas Day in 1960, when my parents assisted postie in keeping warm with a large glass of Stone's Ginger wine. Remarkably enough, I got one too.
The next year, I think we used the Met from New Cross then the District to Dagenham on Christmas Day & return, getting to & from New Cross by bus from Greenwich High Road. Came back on 25th, too.
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Post by revupminster on Dec 19, 2016 16:26:53 GMT
I worked Christmas day 1969 in the ticket office at Whitechapel 1900-2400; 5 hours no meal relief needed. The service only ran Whitechapel to Putney Bridge. Had to get a taxi both ways from Plaistow. It was the only Christmas Day I ever worked although later as a Depot Clerk at Parsons Green I took the time book and timesheets home to Upminster so I could have a short Boxing Day when the time sheets had to be in.
All manual in those days as was the ticket office accounts.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 8:39:06 GMT
1979 was the final year. I'm aware that in the Central line, there was only a service from White City to Leytonstone, and it was something like every 15-30 mins! I don't think that at the time, it was known that 1979 would be the last year. That decision was taken sometime during 1980. EDIT: There was a very good article about Christmas Day services in Underground News a few years ago, but it'll take me ages to find it. Maybe someone else can locate and refer to it? There was a lengthy article in the January 2016 Underground News.
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Post by pitdiver on Dec 20, 2016 14:00:56 GMT
I worked Christmas day 1969 in the ticket office at Whitechapel 1900-2400; 5 hours no meal relief needed. The service only ran Whitechapel to Putney Bridge. Had to get a taxi both ways from Plaistow. It was the only Christmas Day I ever worked although later as a Depot Clerk at Parsons Green I took the time book and timesheets home to Upminster so I could have a short Boxing Day when the time sheets had to be in. All manual in those days as was the ticket office accounts. May I ask if you remember how busy you were on Christmas Day as when I joined LUL as a Booking Clerk I spent my first Christmas at Watford Met doing the late turn on Christmas Eve. I can still remember that I took on the window about £10 for the whole shift right up until close of traffic. Then as per the procedure my Special Christmas Staff Taxi turned up and took me home all the way to Milton Keynes that definitely cost much more than I took. Same next year. However when I tried to book the staff taxi, my GSM asked how much I had taken the previous year when I told him he said " Close early and get you last train from Watford Junction. So I shut at I think 2130 and went home.
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Post by revupminster on Dec 20, 2016 15:18:36 GMT
I worked Christmas day 1969 in the ticket office at Whitechapel 1900-2400; 5 hours no meal relief needed. The service only ran Whitechapel to Putney Bridge. Had to get a taxi both ways from Plaistow. It was the only Christmas Day I ever worked although later as a Depot Clerk at Parsons Green I took the time book and timesheets home to Upminster so I could have a short Boxing Day when the time sheets had to be in. All manual in those days as was the ticket office accounts. May I ask if you remember how busy you were on Christmas Day as when I joined LUL as a Booking Clerk I spent my first Christmas at Watford Met doing the late turn on Christmas Eve. I can still remember that I took on the window about £10 for the whole shift right up until close of traffic. Then as per the procedure my Special Christmas Staff Taxi turned up and took me home all the way to Milton Keynes that definitely cost much more than I took. Same next year. However when I tried to book the staff taxi, my GSM asked how much I had taken the previous year when I told him he said " Close early and get you last train from Watford Junction. So I shut at I think 2130 and went home. Not much because there was only the District running to Putney bridge and not all stations were open, off hand Cannon St, Temple, West Brompton were closed. Probably some others. On a normal Sunday in the 60/70's at Mansion House the late turn 1600-2400 would only take about £10. The only customers were Americans who could not find St Paul's station. In those days the City of London was a ghost town unlike now.
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Post by stapler on Dec 20, 2016 18:05:30 GMT
Yes, I had a season ticket from Mansion House in pre-Travelcard days, and the best time to renew it was always in the evening, if you could rouse the booking clerk from his cocoa! Might even have bought from you, Rev... People forget how quiet the Tube (and SSL) was off peak, away from the main drag of theatres and main line termini
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Post by theblackferret on Dec 20, 2016 18:20:15 GMT
Yes, I had a season ticket from Mansion House in pre-Travelcard days, and the best time to renew it was always in the evening, if you could rouse the booking clerk from his cocoa! Might even have bought from you, Rev... People forget how quiet the Tube (and SSL) was off peak, away from the main drag of theatres and main line termini Yes indeed-thinking of those trips to Dagenham, even if always on Sundays apart from the bank holidays, the Met to Whitechapel was always empty, the District to Dagenham Heathway was pretty quiet too. Seem to remember the three of us were always the only ones in a Met carriage & doubt there were ever more than half-a-dozen others in our District carriage, either, hence why I enjoyed looking out the windows so much, instead of studying other people.
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Post by rheostar on Dec 20, 2016 20:58:44 GMT
When I joined LU in '79, we were still running on Xmas day. However, I was at Oakwood depot on the Piccadilly line and fortunately wasn't required to work. I think only Arnos Grove and Acton Town crews were working.
From memory, the Piccadilly line only ran between Arnos Grove and Northfields (I might be wrong) with quite a late start and an early finish.
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Post by Harsig on Dec 20, 2016 23:31:34 GMT
I have a couple of timetable notices for the Metropolitan Line (No. 2 section) covering the Christmas periods of 1977 and 1978. Even from one year to the next there was a noticeable reduction in the service being offered on Christmas Day. In 1977 the service operated only between Baker St and Rayners Lane. The service was half hourly between Baker St and Harrow, with alternate trains continuing on to Rayners Lane (i.e. hourly). Trains ran via the Bakerloo Line (as then was) between Wembley Park and Finchley Road, calling at all open stations. On the section of line being served Dollis Hill, Northwick Park and West Harrow were all closed. First trains were 0943 from Wembley Park to Baker St, 1002 from Rayners Lane to Baker St and 1006 from Baker St to Rayners Lane. Last trains were 1502 Rayners Lane to Baker St, 1537 Harrow to Baker St, 1602 Rayners Lane to Wembley Park, 1536 Baker St to Rayners Lane and 1605 Baker St to Wembley Park. Three trains were required for the service. The following year the service was cut back to Baker St to Harrow only. The service was still half hourly on this section, but whilst first trains were at similar times, the last trains were about an hour earlier, being the 1438 Harrow to Baker St, the 1508 Harrow to Wembley Park, the 1437 Baker St to Harrow and the 1507 Baker St to Wembley Park. Neasden and West Hampstead stations were closed in addition to the stations that had been closed the previous year. Two trains were required to provide the service.
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Post by revupminster on Dec 21, 2016 5:08:21 GMT
In the 60/70s on a Sunday there was only a 12 minutes service to Upminster; 24 mins to Ealing and Richmond. When covering the Chief Clerk at Acton Town it took ages to get round his three stations, if you missed a train, to do the banking.
Upminster crews never worked nights or xmas and boxing days. They were done by Barking crews.
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Post by pitdiver on Dec 21, 2016 10:46:04 GMT
I must admit despite the fact I joined in 89 I never worked on Boxing day. When I was based on the Met neither of the stations I worked at were open on the 26th (Watford or Croxley). When I moved to the Northern I was based at Goodge Street which in those days was also shut. Naturally when I finally moved to the LTM they were never open on the 26th either. I only ever worked once on the 26th that was when I moved to NX. I still wonder if it's worth the North end of the Met being open on the 26th even now?
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Post by stapler on Dec 21, 2016 11:23:25 GMT
I believe the last year on which the GPO delivered mail (and thus postmen needed to travel to work) on Christmas Day itself was 1960, as BF hints. After that, fewer and fewer actual workers each year needed to travel. In the early 70s, weren't there special bus routes with odd numbers that operated Christmas Day only, on something like 30 minute intervals? One of the points made was that so much of the networks were unserved by the skeleton services that there might as well be no service at all...
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Post by stapler on Dec 22, 2016 8:35:50 GMT
If Revupminster's avatar is a self portrait, then I certainly don't remember buying a ST from him at Mansion House.
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Post by revupminster on Dec 22, 2016 10:05:24 GMT
If Revupminster's avatar is a self portrait, then I certainly don't remember buying a ST from him at Mansion House. I wondered if that would ever be commented on. It is the Queen of Swords or how Zorro should have been done. A Canadian/British/Spanish TV show where a number of British actors, Valentine Pelka, Peter Wingfield, Simon MacCorkindale (also a co-producer with his and his wife Susan George's company) appear (no work permit problems) plus Americans David Carradine and Bo Derek guest star. It was made by The Highlander people It was made in 2000, never shown in Britain until 2008. This is the French version in widescreen as it was filmed. UK and America only got the 4/3 pan and scan version. Beautifully filmed on super 16mm film at Texas Hollywood/Fort Bravo, Almeria, Spain. Dr Who episode filmed there. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_of_Swords_(TV_series)
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Post by spsmiler on Dec 23, 2016 20:52:55 GMT
I'm not sure about Christmas day but certainly I recall travelling on a Boxing Day at a time when there was a maximum Sunday and Bank Holiday fare of 80 pence! Probably this was when Ken Livingstone was in charge at the GLC.
I took my (silent) super 8 ciné film camera and went to Amersham.
Central Line trains were calling at Gants Hill and other more important stations. I feel sure that Redbridge and Wanstead were closed, and am not sure about Leytonstone and Leyton. I definitely know that not only was Stratford closed but that the trains travelled through at full pelt. Happily I do not need memory for this, as my camera was at the ready! I am not 100% sure but think the service frequency was every 20 minutes, which in the central area equated to every 10 minutes.
I changed trains twice each way - Liverpool Street and Baker Street. From the latter I caught a train to Amersham that was routed via Watford and the North Curve. These I think ran every 30 minutes, interleaving with a 30 minute service to Uxbridge.
As my film projector is broken I cannot check my footage at present but I think I filmed the non-stop journey inside a C stock train as it travelled through Farringdon.
On the Amersham route my attempts to film the North Curve were disastrous, as the train was far too unsteady and anyway there was not much to actually see. I feel sure that both Chalfont & Latimer and Chorleywood were closed... I can recall the train quite literally zooming through them so quickly that one hardly realised that a station has been passed. I can only guess but it would not surprise me if the trains had reached 80mph or even more - especially on the downhill gradient.
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Post by pitdiver on Dec 24, 2016 17:13:44 GMT
Further to my earlier post I seem to recall that the onl stations that were open on Boxing Day at the north end of the Met were Northwood, and Ricky. I don't think anywhere else was open.
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Post by theblackferret on Dec 24, 2016 17:37:10 GMT
If Revupminster's avatar is a self portrait, then I certainly don't remember buying a ST from him at Mansion House. I wondered if that would ever be commented on. It is the Queen of Swords or how Zorro should have been done. A Canadian/British/Spanish TV show where a number of British actors, Valentine Pelka, Peter Wingfield, Simon MacCorkindale (also a co-producer with his and his wife Susan George's company) appear (no work permit problems) plus Americans David Carradine and Bo Derek guest star. It was made by The Highlander people It was made in 2000, never shown in Britain until 2008. This is the French version in widescreen as it was filmed. UK and America only got the 4/3 pan and scan version. Beautifully filmed on super 16mm film at Texas Hollywood/Fort Bravo, Almeria, Spain. Dr Who episode filmed there. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_of_Swords_(TV_series)Thanks for that. As the recipient at Crimbo 1957 or 1958 of the Zorro mask, rapier & cloak based on the 1957 Disney TV series, it's great to see the character finally brought to something approaching deserved fruition.
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Post by alholmes on Dec 24, 2016 18:27:36 GMT
The North Curve sees regular use on New Years Day now. There's a regular 20-minute service each way between 5am and 11am as the Amersham/Chesham service is combined with the Watford service for a few hours in the morning.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 15:52:45 GMT
Is it still free to travel on London tubes on New Year's Eve or was it New Years Day?
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jan 4, 2017 16:27:25 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 16:33:50 GMT
Thanks, yea, that's what I thought.
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Post by countryman on Jan 5, 2017 10:25:08 GMT
I lived in Perivale and the rest of the extended family in Shepherd's Bush. In the 60s we had our Christmas Lunch, then went off on the 105 to Shepherd's Bush. (the only time I ever went on a Routemaster on the 105. After tea, aboyt 19.30, we used to walk to White City and get the Central Line back to Perivale. I have no recollection of the frequency of service, although it was signficantly lower than normal, or when the services stopped, but we did the trip evey year from 1960 until we got our first car in the late 60s.
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Post by John Tuthill on Jan 5, 2017 11:32:13 GMT
I lived in Perivale and the rest of the extended family in Shepherd's Bush. In the 60s we had our Christmas Lunch, then went off on the 105 to Shepherd's Bush. (the only time I ever went on a Routemaster on the 105. After tea, aboyt 19.30, we used to walk to White City and get the Central Line back to Perivale. I have no recollection of the frequency of service, although it was signficantly lower than normal, or when the services stopped, but we did the trip evey year from 1960 until we got our first car in the late 60s. As a child of the '50's I can remember buses and the U/G running on Christmas Day, usually between 09:00 and 16:00. I remember reading years later that the increase in car ownership was the main reason the services were terminated.
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Post by stapler on Jan 5, 2017 13:20:23 GMT
buses...yes. They finished about 4 on the 25th and ran a sort of Sunday service on the 26th. I remember particularly Boxing Day 1962, jumping on a 102 (RT, Palmers Green) and sliding around Chingford Hospital corner, that being the beginning of the snow that lasted till mid-March.
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