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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2016 17:41:25 GMT
I have been regularly commuting by tube for the past few years and am interested in ways of getting a seat more often . I have come up with the following list: Use a quieter route if possible Adjust times - before or after peak if possible Take the 2nd train which is "ghosting" the one in front. Go back a station to be first to grab a vacant seat. Look for people's badges/clues where they may get off - e.g. students/tourists/workmen etc Look at the working timetable and see if a train starts from your station. Work out which carriage is quieter. If you can think of any more, let me know?
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Post by londoner on Dec 10, 2016 18:41:46 GMT
1. Learn your route. People always crowd near the entrances and exits. 2. The ends of the Circle Line stock tend to be much quieter. 3. Wait for the 3rd ghost train if possible. 4. Don't bother waiting for a fast train at Baker St, Finchley Road or Harrow. People are desperate to save 3 minutes. Seats are much easier to come by on an all stations train. 5. Avoid busy stations/ interchanges by walking to a quieter nearby station. Use the distance tube map. Gloucester Rd instead of South Ken. Use Bayswater/ Queensway instead of Notting Hill Gate if the latter is busy. 6. Take a bus. Many buses are quieter than tube journeys. 7. Avoid waiting for a train near families/ mothers with prams/ people with lots of shopping/ people with suitcases - these people nearly always want a seat.
8. Give Up. Work from home.
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Post by theblackferret on Dec 10, 2016 18:53:45 GMT
Always get in the front carriage, because that will inevitably be the furthest from yours and everybody else's exit off the Tube to work/uni/whatever, so should always be the least crowded. Have a look if you can at where the last-minute Larry's & Leonora's get in, and it will be the middle or end ones, because that's where the entrances to the platforms are usually situated as well.
Leave for work 10-15 mins earlier than need be, so you can explore 2 or 3 stations further back rather than just one, or trial that first on a day's leave but at peak hours. You could also use that 10-15 mins on leave day to trial taking the 2nd or 3rd train & see if that makes a difference-most of my recent experience hasn't been in peak periods, but changing from Central to Northern at Bank the year before last in September was at 17:00 and the first train southwards from Bank was impossible to get on to at all, the second looked merely insufferable, even if we were only going one stop. Third one had seats, even if Mrs tbf was hoicked bodily into one of the two vacant by a force of nature known as me!
Try catching the same train, and getting in the same carriage for 3 days in a row, see if the same people are there each day & clock where they get off-if a seat becomes vacant every day after, say, two stops and yours' is an eight-stop journey, you've found a winner. Most people are creatures of habit
If you are still forced to stand, massage a knee or ankle as openly as possible, somebody may take the hint and offer you a seat, but if anybody asks, make sure you say it's an hereditary and permanent condition, which is inconvenient and not a real disability, so you can keep the gig going.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2016 19:23:33 GMT
Become a Train Op
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Post by norbitonflyer on Dec 10, 2016 20:31:38 GMT
1. Learn your route. People always crowd near the entrances and exits. 1. If your station has a lot of incoming traffic (or it's an interchange) wait near the exit - that's where most regulars travelling to the station will get off, and thus where there will be most space on the train. Failing that, choose the carriage which will be nearest the exit at the next station. 2. If standing, get as far from a door as possible, then anyone vacating a seat will not have to squeeze past you to get out, meaning you can slide gracefully into their place. 3. Bring your own seat - a large suitcase will do, or possibly a shooting stick.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2016 20:33:18 GMT
On a national rail line with Class 376'es or similar trains, I found out that the empty luggage racks at the ends of the carriages make handy seats, as they have smooth hard flat surfaces that I can sit on, which can also be handy as the luggage racks are also secluded, so I can check my credit card statement APP on my phone and make payment on the move, without prying eyes seeing me!!!
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Post by Tomcakes on Dec 10, 2016 20:36:38 GMT
Consider where large numbers of passengers are likely to interchange. A passenger on a westbound Piccadilly service, for example, is liable to see lots of passengers change at Finsbury Park, KX, Holborn etc in the morning peak. A seat may therefore be obtained when passengers leave at these stations.
If a seat is desired, stay in the middle of the seats so that you will be closer than another passenger.
Travel in the 'peak shoulders' i.e. when the train service is being increased to peak levels just before the peak times, or is dropping off and returning to depots for the interpeak or evening service. Setting off home at 3.30pm gives a frequent service which is comfortable, as does setting off at 7.30pm.
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Post by stapler on Dec 10, 2016 21:56:01 GMT
Get old, get pregnant, carry a walking stick!
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Post by Chris M on Dec 10, 2016 22:42:02 GMT
Always get in the front carriage, because that will inevitably be the furthest from yours and everybody else's exit off the Tube to work/uni/whatever, so should always be the least crowded. This does not always work. For example it's a bad plan heading east in the evening peak on the Central line as the exit at South Woodford is right at the front of the train so that's a very crowded part of the train until then. Similarly the back is very crowded until Leytonstone for the same reason (exits at Leyton and there), but after those stations you're almost never going to have to stand. On DLR trains heading to Bank, travel in the middle of the train - the exits are by the second doors from the front (Central, W&C, north end of the Northern, Bank exits) and third from the back (Circle, District, south end of the Northern, Monument exits). Out of town always wait for the second Lewisham train and wait by the doors as soon as the train before leaves.
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Post by rincew1nd on Dec 10, 2016 22:45:32 GMT
Out of town always wait for the second Lewisham train and wait by the doors as soon as the train before leaves. Not only does this get you "a" seat, as Chris and I proved thus evening it gets you some of the best seats!
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Post by norbitonflyer on Dec 10, 2016 23:25:28 GMT
Get old, get pregnant, carry a walking stick! Mrs Norbiton has tried all of those (not in that order!) None of them are completely reliable. But at least you can lean on a walking stick!
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Post by jacks on Dec 11, 2016 1:01:37 GMT
Live at the end of a line. I always get a seat heading into central London.
Walk as far from the entrance to the platform as possible, less people boarding where you are and fighting for available seats.
Learn where people are likely to board at previous stations. Few examples, if I'm heading west from North Greenwich or Canning Town, go to the front as the train will have filled towards the back at Stratford. Going north on the Northern from Embankment/Charing Cross/Leicester Square, head to the back as it's the front where everyone gets on at Waterloo. During the festive season, eastbound Piccadilly line trains will be quieter at the back as everyone returning to Hyde Park Corner from Winter Wonderland piles on at the front.
If I do have to stand initially, stand in an aisle so you're the closest to a seat should one become vacant.
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Post by banana99 on Dec 14, 2016 22:46:05 GMT
Don't publish your tricks on the internet
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Post by Dmitri on Dec 15, 2016 9:12:37 GMT
Don't publish your tricks on the internet The first rule of Fight Club is: you do not talk about Fight Club.
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Post by chris11256 on Dec 15, 2016 10:25:38 GMT
Get a Tower Hill starter on the District Line.
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Post by nickf on Dec 15, 2016 10:42:30 GMT
Smile sweetly and say "Hello, how are you?" to everyone. This will create a broad, unpopulated area around you.
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Post by Chris M on Dec 15, 2016 12:39:21 GMT
Tread in dog mess just before boarding a train. Unfortunately I did this one occasion. I had a heavy cold at the time so it took me a while before I could smell it, and I thought my cold was the reason people were giving me a wide berth...
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Post by alpinejohn on Dec 15, 2016 12:49:55 GMT
Successive southbound morning peak trains at Finchley Central often arrive full to overflowing with virtually no one getting off. So when it looks like a total scrum on the southbound I just take a usually empty train heading North to Mill Hill East (same fare zone) returning on the same train 10 minutes later with my guaranteed seat.
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Post by rincew1nd on Dec 15, 2016 12:59:55 GMT
Successive southbound morning peak trains at Finchley Central often arrive full to overflowing with virtually no one getting off. So when it looks like a total scrum on the southbound I just take a usually empty train heading North to Mill Hill East (same fare zone) returning on the same train 10 minutes later with my guaranteed seat. I used a similar trick at university trying to get a lift to the 12th floor. Walk up one floor then get the lift down and all the way up!
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Post by jacks on Dec 15, 2016 17:36:50 GMT
I used that trick to a bigger extreme when trying to get to Acton during one of the strikes last year. Instead of trying to shove on to a southbound Overground train at Harrow & Wealdstone, I took one north all the way to Watford to then return. Don't know how necessary it was, but I'd given myself plenty of time which allowed for this.
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Post by Chris M on Dec 15, 2016 18:59:15 GMT
I have heard that passengers wanting the westbound Central line at Bethnal Green in the morning peak travel east to Mile End or Stratford first, not so they can get a seat but so they can physically board a train.
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Post by drainrat on Dec 15, 2016 21:43:11 GMT
Successive southbound morning peak trains at Finchley Central often arrive full to overflowing with virtually no one getting off. So when it looks like a total scrum on the southbound I just take a usually empty train heading North to Mill Hill East (same fare zone) returning on the same train 10 minutes later with my guaranteed seat. I used a similar trick at university trying to get a lift to the 12th floor. Walk up one floor then get the lift down and all the way up! See many people doing this between Debden-Epping in am peak, so word is getting out!
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Post by Chris M on Dec 15, 2016 21:49:44 GMT
Interesting, I never failed to get a seat at Debden westbound in the morning peak in the few months I commuted from there. Getting from the seat to the platform at Liverpool Street was a much trickier proposition - on one occasion it took so long I had to alight at Bank.
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Post by drainrat on Dec 15, 2016 21:53:05 GMT
I would've thought so too, but some trains from Epping in am peak can already be standing only by Debden, assume it's the buses unloading. Whenever I park at Loughton in am peak, I've always had to stand to Leytonstone, though I could get a seat at the front, I'll be spending next 8 hrs there, don't want to be spending any longer than that in the cab 😉
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2017 16:59:35 GMT
Its a good rule to assume that the carriage which empties most will be the one closest to the exit. From experience, it seems that 'corner' seats often empty first, rather than those in the middle of a row. Recently i have had serious issues getting a northbound seat from baker st to northwick park. Other than getting a starting @ baker street train, what can i do? Where should i stand along the platform to maximise getting a seat, at least by finchley rd?
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Post by Chris M on Feb 5, 2017 17:57:20 GMT
stand in the middle of the row of seats. You will have more standing room and be the closest person to more of the seats that will be potentially vacated than if you are by the doors.
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Post by countryman on Feb 5, 2017 18:31:54 GMT
Its a good rule to assume that the carriage which empties most will be the one closest to the exit. From experience, it seems that 'corner' seats often empty first, rather than those in the middle of a row. Recently i have had serious issues getting a northbound seat from baker st to northwick park. Other than getting a starting @ baker street train, what can i do? Where should i stand along the platform to maximise getting a seat, at least by finchley rd? I would have recommended getting into the first car if the A stock was still running, but I assume S stock fills up more uniformly. And there are far fewer seats.
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Post by brigham on Feb 6, 2017 9:09:43 GMT
I used a similar trick at university trying to get a lift to the 12th floor. Walk up one floor then get the lift down and all the way up! I tried that at Manchester, on the 'paternoster' type lift. I walked past the crush which always formed in the morning, stepped into a downgoing car, went through the pit, and was aboard long before the rest. Works fine, if you don't mind being punched and kicked!
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Post by class411 on Feb 6, 2017 11:49:56 GMT
Smile sweetly and say "Hello, how are you?" to everyone. This will create a broad, unpopulated area around you. Announce that you have recently found Jesus and want to discus the advantages of a living a Christian life.
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Post by stapler on Feb 6, 2017 13:56:49 GMT
From Debden and Loughton (and perhaps BH) the best trick is to get hold of the WTT online and make a note of the times those (now mercifully greater in number) trains that start at Debden or Loughton. The Loughton Residents Association always notifies its members in its e-bulletins of Deb/Lou starters... Still a bit of a longshot at BH. On the way back you can always try standing near someone you reckon will get off in the Leyton area...
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