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Post by stapler on Nov 26, 2016 15:23:37 GMT
Anyone know why these were put in? Have they been/are they used for anything in particular?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2016 15:28:52 GMT
Certainly, they're used all the time. They serve as the east end shunt necks for the depot, so obviously for internal shunting movements they get used. But also, any train which goes into Hainault depot from Hainault station via the wash (which is almost all of them, if everything goes to plan - actually I think all of them) will go through the wash road and then up to 70 or 71 road, before coming back into the depot. It's very common to see a train on there as you go through Grange Hill station, especially if you're travelling around 10:00/11:00.
Also trains going into the depot from Grange Hill cannot go in directly. They either have to go all the way along the wash road and up to 21/22 road (the equivalents at the west end alongside Hainault station) or reverse on the wash road, back to 70/71 road and then back into the depot. This is the more common route in my very limited experience, but the timetable decrees 21 road for train 26 (the evening peak Grange Hill via Woodford service).
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Post by stapler on Nov 26, 2016 18:55:37 GMT
Many thanks, Tut. Did they appear at the same time that the depot was laid out? I think these were two coal sidings when the Loop was opened. The view in maps Bing birdseye (undated) has a 4-car unit of sliver stock in them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2016 19:05:48 GMT
Well, they seem to be there in Harsig's Central Line Eastern Extensions diagram, although I'm pretty sure today's 70 and 71 roads correspond to goods roads 75 and 76 in the diagram, with 70 and 71 roads of yesteryear no longer existing. Clearly the signalling and depot layout has also become more restrictive since Hainault depot opened.
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Post by Colin D on Nov 27, 2016 1:03:47 GMT
When I worked at Hainault we had crews that started out of the shed roads where we shunted a train onto shunt neck at Grange Hill then back through the depot and into service at Hainault. Do they still have crews like that? When I was over for a visit this past June I stopped off at Grange Hill for some photos and managed to get a few shots of a train using the shunt neck๐
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Post by stapler on Nov 27, 2016 8:06:55 GMT
Grange Hill closed for goods in 1965, so presumably roads 75/76 were abolished after that time. That begs two questions - what happened re a shunting neck before 1965, and are the present 70/71 on the same alignment as the old coal sidings (wide enough for the merchant's stands between them)? Presumably new track would have had to be laid before electrification anyway? These ex-GE yards were not exactly built to HST running standards; there were still 19th cent chairs in Ongar in 1968, for instance.
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Post by drainrat on Nov 27, 2016 11:20:00 GMT
When I worked at Hainault we had crews that started out of the shed roads where we shunted a train onto shunt neck at Grange Hill then back through the depot and into service at Hainault. Do they still have crews like that? When I was over for a visit this past June I stopped off at Grange Hill for some photos and managed to get a few shots of a train using the shunt neck๐ The driver does any move via the north neck into service now. Any move into the south neck is done by depot staff.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2016 23:08:42 GMT
Also trains going into the depot from Grange Hill cannot go in directly. They can from the inner rail platform.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2016 23:16:44 GMT
Also trains going into the depot from Grange Hill cannot go in directly. They can from the inner rail platform. Thanks for the addition, I wondered, but as it's a rare move (I don't believe it's even possible for the 1992TS to display plain "Grange Hill" as a destination (with only "Grange Hill via Woodford" being available)) I decided not to split hairs over it. Very interesting to know, though Do you know how many routes are available from GRH 9258 - and what they are?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2016 23:23:45 GMT
Four routes, 1 to the wash road and 2, 3 and 4 to various groupings of roads in the depot proper.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2016 23:27:21 GMT
Four routes, 1 to the wash road and 2, 3 and 4 to various groupings of roads in the depot proper. Perfect, thanks! Would 2, 3 and 4 direct you towards stop boards and 'code ends' sign with further routing by the shunter and information by radio, or is the whole route locked and cleared by the shunt signal?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2016 9:00:22 GMT
Four routes, 1 to the wash road and 2, 3 and 4 to various groupings of roads in the depot proper. Perfect, thanks! Would 2, 3 and 4 direct you towards stop boards and 'code ends' sign with further routing by the shunter and information by radio, or is the whole route locked and cleared by the shunt signal? The former, in the same way as a train routed in from 70 or 71 road.
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Post by stapler on Nov 29, 2016 10:54:08 GMT
Folks, nobody picked up my question about what was done for depot shunting necks before the goods roads were converted in ?1966.... any thoughts?
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Post by drainrat on Nov 29, 2016 16:08:52 GMT
Perfect, thanks! Would 2, 3 and 4 direct you towards stop boards and 'code ends' sign with further routing by the shunter and information by radio, or is the whole route locked and cleared by the shunt signal? The former, in the same way as a train routed in from 70 or 71 road. All routes (bar route 1 at 58) 9254-8, only allow you as far as the stop board. CM from 58 to stop board, RM from the north neck roads. Even though the route is as far as the stop boards, you know whether you're going to shed roads, outside, or outer roads depending on route number, but procedurally, the stop boards are where the north shunter should give the road number to stable on, NOT at the signals. 71 is the left road, 70 the right as you orient north in the depot, I imagine the old 'up' would've been from Woodford - Hainault
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Post by hobbayne on Nov 30, 2016 9:37:04 GMT
A train can enter the depot from Hainault through the wash under ATP. This means that codes are available and a max speed of 8 kph through the wash. The codes are available all the way through to the North neck (70 and 71 roads) All moves from the north neck are in restricted manual
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Nov 30, 2016 10:12:27 GMT
Many thanks, Tut. Did they appear at the same time that the depot was laid out? I think these were two coal sidings when the Loop was opened. The view in maps Bing birdseye (undated) has a 4-car unit of sliver stock in them. This view from a Birdseye on Bing Maps shows what appears to be 6 cars of 92TS hanging about. I saw this type of formation quite a few times when I used to drive past everyday earlier this century!
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Post by drainrat on Nov 30, 2016 16:49:04 GMT
Yep, even though there's a blue 4kph board before the wash, we do that and ATP times out
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Post by drainrat on Nov 30, 2016 16:51:13 GMT
Many thanks, Tut. Did they appear at the same time that the depot was laid out? I think these were two coal sidings when the Loop was opened. The view in maps Bing birdseye (undated) has a 4-car unit of sliver stock in them. This view from a Birdseye on Bing Maps shows what appears to be 6 cars of 92TS hanging about. I saw this type of formation quite a few times when I used to drive past everyday earlier this century! Looks like 8 to me ๐ณ 2 hidden by the trees .......nope, I'm wrong, definitely 6 there
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Post by drainrat on Nov 30, 2016 16:54:18 GMT
See 2, 4 & 6 cars regularly on south necks
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Nov 30, 2016 17:23:38 GMT
This view from a Birdseye on Bing Maps shows what appears to be 6 cars of 92TS hanging about. I saw this type of formation quite a few times when I used to drive past everyday earlier this century! Looks like 8 to me ๐ณ 2 hidden by the trees .......nope, I'm wrong, definitely 6 there The only way I ever worked it out at the time was when a white car end was visible from the road instead of the usual red and grey and tape. I'm sure I saw battery locomotives in there once as well but I can't be certain.
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Post by drainrat on Nov 30, 2016 19:06:50 GMT
I believe the fixed stop lights are stepped there, that's what threw me
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Post by drainrat on Nov 30, 2016 19:08:14 GMT
Went round the loop twice today, was quite a picture between Chigwell-Grange Hill, like a wintry setting from a brothers Grimm novel
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Post by stapler on Nov 30, 2016 23:00:48 GMT
Asw indeed it was when the GER nursery (with its own siding) was on that stretch
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Post by drainrat on Dec 2, 2016 11:38:57 GMT
can't say its changed much at all since I was younger, and certainly not since I've been a driver
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