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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Nov 22, 2016 19:27:57 GMT
I have a prospective new member having a bit of difficulty gaining access to the forum (I won't bore you with the details) but he's emailed us a picture that he'd like some answers about. It's a bit like a bonus quiz question! Don't worry Chris M, your future's safe..........   He'd like to know what the Underground Station is in the background of this picture. |
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Post by John Tuthill on Nov 22, 2016 19:59:11 GMT
I have a prospective new member having a bit of difficulty gaining access to the forum (I won't bore you with the details) but he's emailed us a picture that he'd like some answers about. It's a bit like a bonus quiz question! Don't worry Chris M, your future's safe.......... He'd like to know what the Underground Station is in the background of this picture. I'd hazard a guess that's Shepherds Bush Market, the Uxbridge Road and the old Passmore Edwards library on the left? |
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Nov 22, 2016 20:10:41 GMT
I have a prospective new member having a bit of difficulty gaining access to the forum (I won't bore you with the details) but he's emailed us a picture that he'd like some answers about. It's a bit like a bonus quiz question! Don't worry Chris M , your future's safe.......... He'd like to know what the Underground Station is in the background of this picture. I'd hazard a guess that's Shepherds Bush Market, the Uxbridge Road and the old Passmore Edwards library on the left? Here's a Street Map view of Shepherds Bush Market and the Uxbridge Road today:  |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Nov 23, 2016 0:05:22 GMT
The church spire in the background should help identify it. There is a church in roughly the right position if the station has been correctly identified (St Stephen & St Thomas), but it never had a spire.
The trolley wires will help to narrow it down a lot, of course.
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Post by brigham on Nov 23, 2016 9:57:20 GMT
The trolley wires will help to narrow it down a lot, of course. Particularly as there's a feeder/section gap in view. |
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Post by theblackferret on Nov 23, 2016 10:29:42 GMT
I've seen that photo before & can't remember who the two guys in it are. Or was it from a film??
On the station front, note there's still a walkway with rails to SBM station on the right, and in the photo there's a covered walkway on the same side of the road.
Interestingly enough, there's a house beyond the bridge with 2 chimney pots in pretty much the same position in both photos.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Nov 23, 2016 11:51:25 GMT
I can't actually see anything in the mystery picture to suggest there is a station there anyway - am I missing something? The presence of the traffic lights suggests the mystery photo was taken at from the Wood Lane/Uxbridge Road junction, looking towards what is now SBM station. Looking at the 2008 Street Map view, from that point (when the library was not covered in scaffolding) the buildings on the immediate left appear to be similar to those in the mystery picture, and the distinctive pillars of the library can be seen in the mystery picture above the left shoulder of the man in the dark suit. At first glance the buildings beyond the viaduct don't seem to match at all: here is the church as it appears today  But its entry in the listed buildings register says it did originally have a spire www.historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1261971which apparently looked like this  EDITED as only one of the four embedded links worked |
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Post by theblackferret on Nov 23, 2016 12:11:13 GMT
I can't actually see anything in the mystery picture to suggest there is a station there anyway - am I missing something? Yeh, there's a LT roundel high up on the right-hand side of the street, about level with the front of the Tube train directly above it. It's not that easy to spot & it was only looking at the covered walkway in the original that drew my eye to what was there now, or in 2008. It could be an exceptionally laid-back bus stop, but probably not. Still struggling to remember where that photo originated. I've just got a vague feeling it was related to a court case and it's a press original. EDIT-The feeling emanating from the look of the geezer on the left-as if he's about to clock the photographer! |
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Post by brigham on Nov 23, 2016 12:33:00 GMT
The church spire clinches it. I thought the copper cap on the Waterloo church was a bit modern.
I can't find any sign of a station on the mystery picture, and now I can't find a tube train!
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Post by theblackferret on Nov 23, 2016 12:47:25 GMT
The church spire clinches it. I thought the copper cap on the Waterloo church was a bit modern. I can't find any sign of a station on the mystery picture, and now I can't find a tube train! The mystery 1950's(?) photo has no Tube obvious train-that's only in the modern one. It's possible the very front of one is on the bridge above that walkway, but it's too indistinct to be sure it's that & not a distant building beyond it. The covered walkway on the right-hand side up by the bridge was the only visible sign I clocked of a station. Possible the building directly under the Guinness advert on the left is a Tube station entrance, but I can't zoom in on it to be sure. |
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Post by John Tuthill on Nov 23, 2016 13:58:35 GMT
I can't actually see anything in the mystery picture to suggest there is a station there anyway - am I missing something? Yeh, there's a LT roundel high up on the right-hand side of the street, about level with the front of the Tube train directly above it. It's not that easy to spot & it was only looking at the covered walkway in the original that drew my eye to what was there now, or in 2008. It could be an exceptionally laid-back bus stop, but probably not. Still struggling to remember where that photo originated. I've just got a vague feeling it was related to a court case and it's a press original.
EDIT-The feeling emanating from the look of the geezer on the left-as if he's about to clock the photographer! As the photos would appear to be 1950s(?) I'm wondering, if it is a press photo as you suggest, would it have anything to do with the Notting Hill riots? The local police station is on the right hand side about 400 yards passed the bridge, and he could have been bailed? Just a thought. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Nov 23, 2016 13:59:04 GMT
Possible the building directly under the Guinness advert on the left is a Tube station entrance, but I can't zoom in on it to be sure. Isn't that on the wrong side of the road? The church spire clinches it. I thought the copper cap on the Waterloo church was a bit modern. (Waterloo?) Despite extensive Googling, I have been unable to identify the date the spire was removed, which might have helped to date the picture. The local police station is on the right hand side about 400 yards past the bridge, directly opposite the church, as it happens! and he could have been bailed? I've no direct experience of these things but I thought you got bailed by a court. Your bail conditions may require you to report to a police station though. |
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Post by theblackferret on Nov 23, 2016 15:48:20 GMT
Possible the building directly under the Guinness advert on the left is a Tube station entrance, but I can't zoom in on it to be sure. Isn't that on the wrong side of the road? and he could have been bailed? I've no direct experience of these things but I thought you got bailed by a court. Your bail conditions may require you to report to a police station though. Yes, but there's not enough detail visible on the right for me to guess. The current station entrance is on that side & is facing onto the road from the then-covered walkway in the 2005(?) photograph in one of my books. Doesn't look much like a Harry Bell Measures' station, which it was, in any event. I doubt there ever was a left-hand side entrance, but would like to be sure. The Notting Hill riots were 1958, so would be useful if we can date the poster behind his head. |
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Post by crusty54 on Nov 23, 2016 20:31:01 GMT
The library didn't have shops at ground floor level.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Nov 23, 2016 21:12:46 GMT
The library didn't have shops at ground floor level. No, it didn''t. But that's not the library. Looking at Street View, those shops are between the junction with Wood Lane and the library. In the "mystery" picture the library is hidden behind the pole with the adverts on it, but part can be glimpsed over the left shoulder of the man in the dark suit. |
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Nov 24, 2016 15:22:15 GMT
Afternoon everyone. Our thread originator, Simon (who's still unable to log-on), has nevertheless been following, and enjoying, your machinations on his photograph. He's sent us another e-mail containing the following, which I thought I'd paste here for you all to see: "Hi Rich
I've just read the forum, and would like to thank everyone who is trying to help! The following is a bit of extra info you might be able to post?
The photograph was actually taken in 1939. It is one of those infamous street photography prints; cameramen stood in the street taking snaps of people and trying to get them to buy prints. This was mostly done at the seaside but also in the big cities, circa 1920 - 1945 (up to 1970 in Skegness, but they were always a bit behind the times!).
I am researching this 'industry' but in doing so, people sometimes send me these 'walkies' as they are known in case I can help locate where they were taken. The son of the smart dressed guy on the left now lives in California and set this all off.
As it is 1939 the scene could obviously have changed considerably soon after it was taken. The nearest I could get was a mainline bridge at Fulham High Street, but the dome on the other side of the line is still wrong.
If this has caught anyones interest, or you have similar street snaps, you can find out more at my website"Link: GO HOME ON A POSTCARDEDIT:More on the subject from Simon: "I have checked out the Shepherds Bush view and the library building matches exactly, so that solves it.
I will do a posting about this on the (Go Home On A Postcard) site and thank people, and tell our Californian guy we have sorted it for him. He will think we're all nutters of course!" |
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Post by trt on Nov 24, 2016 16:04:43 GMT
I think you're right that it's Shepherd's Bush Market, but it's much further back along the road at the old London County Council office building. Hang on, I'll try to get a screen grab...  |
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Post by class411 on Nov 24, 2016 16:27:33 GMT
Removing this as I think the comments it contained did not account for the foreshortening in the old photograph.
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Post by theblackferret on Nov 24, 2016 16:38:00 GMT
Afternoon everyone. Our thread originator, Simon (who's still unable to log-on), has nevertheless been following, and enjoying, your machinations on his photograph. He's sent us another e-mail containing the following, which I thought I'd paste here for you all to see: "Hi Rich
I've just read the forum, and would like to thank everyone who is trying to help! The following is a bit of extra info you might be able to post?
The photograph was actually taken in 1939. It is one of those infamous street photography prints; cameramen stood in the street taking snaps of people and trying to get them to buy prints. This was mostly done at the seaside but also in the big cities, circa 1920 - 1945 (up to 1970 in Skegness, but they were always a bit behind the times!).
I am researching this 'industry' but in doing so, people sometimes send me these 'walkies' as they are known in case I can help locate where they were taken. The son of the smart dressed guy on the left now lives in California and set this all off.
As it is 1939 the scene could obviously have changed considerably soon after it was taken. The nearest I could get was a mainline bridge at Fulham High Street, but the dome on the other side of the line is still wrong.
If this has caught anyones interest, or you have similar street snaps, you can find out more at my website"Link: GO HOME ON A POSTCARDEDIT:More on the subject from Simon: "I have checked out the Shepherds Bush view and the library building matches exactly, so that solves it.
I will do a posting about this on the (Go Home On A Postcard) site and thank people, and tell our Californian guy we have sorted it for him. He will think we're all nutters of course!"Now we know why Chummy on the left was looking so angry! There was a 1965 film on this street photography lark, at the seaside:- The System-starring Oliver Reed, soundtrack by the Searchers. Featuring pictures of 'dolly birds' & not tube trains. Some people's priorities, eh? |
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Post by trt on Nov 24, 2016 17:04:35 GMT
Shepherd's Bush station on the south-side of the road closed in 1914, when it was replaced by Goldhawk Road and the current one on the north side of the road. I'm intrigued by the large dome and the smaller, higher cupola. One or both of them appear to be directly above the train line, but that could only be if there were a station building there. Which of course at one point there was! Might also explain the apparent Underground sign on the left side of the road in the picture.
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Post by John Tuthill on Nov 24, 2016 20:17:53 GMT
Afternoon everyone. Our thread originator, Simon (who's still unable to log-on), has nevertheless been following, and enjoying, your machinations on his photograph. He's sent us another e-mail containing the following, which I thought I'd paste here for you all to see: "Hi Rich
I've just read the forum, and would like to thank everyone who is trying to help! The following is a bit of extra info you might be able to post?
The photograph was actually taken in 1939. It is one of those infamous street photography prints; cameramen stood in the street taking snaps of people and trying to get them to buy prints. This was mostly done at the seaside but also in the big cities, circa 1920 - 1945 (up to 1970 in Skegness, but they were always a bit behind the times!).
I am researching this 'industry' but in doing so, people sometimes send me these 'walkies' as they are known in case I can help locate where they were taken. The son of the smart dressed guy on the left now lives in California and set this all off.
As it is 1939 the scene could obviously have changed considerably soon after it was taken. The nearest I could get was a mainline bridge at Fulham High Street, but the dome on the other side of the line is still wrong.
If this has caught anyones interest, or you have similar street snaps, you can find out more at my website"Link: GO HOME ON A POSTCARDEDIT:More on the subject from Simon: "I have checked out the Shepherds Bush view and the library building matches exactly, so that solves it.
I will do a posting about this on the (Go Home On A Postcard) site and thank people, and tell our Californian guy we have sorted it for him. He will think we're all nutters of course!" I take your word for it, but I am surprised it's pre-war. The bus under the bridge I would imagine it's a RT/RTL(?) on the 12, they weren't introduced on that route until 1949, and the 'teddy boy' hair cut and garish tie the chap on the right is wearing.........  |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Nov 24, 2016 22:53:44 GMT
I had assumed it was a trolleybus on the 607, but the picture lacks enough definition to be sure, and the roof is obscured so you can't tell whether there are trolley poles.
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Post by John Tuthill on Nov 24, 2016 23:50:41 GMT
I had assumed it was a trolleybus on the 607, but the picture lacks enough definition to be sure, and the roof is obscured so you can't tell whether there are trolley poles. As you say there isn't enough definition. My assumption of a RT/RTL on the 12,it doesn't look like 3 digits, and the roof line seems clean(no trolley rest hooks)It's been interesting all the curiosity an old photo can generate.  |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Nov 25, 2016 7:51:03 GMT
I was hoping the advertising placrds would help to date it, but the only one I have been able to recognise is the "Guinness a Day" one which seems to have been in use from the late 1920s right through to the 1950s
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Post by theblackferret on Nov 25, 2016 10:17:07 GMT
I was hoping the advertising placrds would help to date it, but the only one I have been able to recognise is the "Guinness a Day" one which seems to have been in use from the late 1920s right through to the 1950s I share your head-scratching re 1939. I notice the definition on our erstwhile teddy-boys, who are presumably walking, is very much sharper than the car behind the Ryan Giggs-lookalike, which is clearly moving and is blurred. Wonder if they've been superimposed on a stock background by a spiv photographer? Want some nylons, luv?! |
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Post by John Tuthill on Nov 25, 2016 10:52:24 GMT
I was hoping the advertising placrds would help to date it, but the only one I have been able to recognise is the "Guinness a Day" one which seems to have been in use from the late 1920s right through to the 1950s I share your head-scratching re 1939. I notice the definition on our erstwhile teddy-boys, who are presumably walking, is very much sharper than the car behind the Ryan Giggs-lookalike, which is clearly moving and is blurred. Wonder if they've been superimposed on a stock background by a spiv photographer?
Want some nylons, luv?! I doubt it As the subject of the photo are the two gentlemen, the background would be slightly out of focus, depending on film speed/aperture setting/depth of field. |
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Post by brigham on Nov 25, 2016 11:21:01 GMT
I thought 1950s at first, but looking at the lapels, I'm ready to agree with '39. Wide-boys were going around bare-headed by then, after Edward set a (bad?) example.
Is the character on the right, facing away, a bloke, a WPC or a governess?
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Post by theblackferret on Nov 25, 2016 11:45:23 GMT
I thought 1950s at first, but looking at the lapels, I'm ready to agree with '39. Wide-boys were going around bare-headed by then, after Edward set a (bad?) example. Is the character on the right, facing away, a bloke, a WPC or a governess? She is definitely from 1939! And not the sort of woman I suspect you'd argue with, so my money's on governess, as her eyes as a WPC would be on the likely lads on camera. And her hands would probably be feeling their collars, too. |
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