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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2016 13:03:36 GMT
Hello
As we all know the current fine is £80, but when I watched the Jubilee Line DEV by video125 filmed in 2001 a scene in the program showed the standard blue fine sticker with only £10.
My question is when did the fine get hiked to the £50 I still see stated at Hillingdon on the car park ramp?
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Post by superteacher on Oct 25, 2016 14:14:38 GMT
I recall that it was £10 when the scheme was first launched.
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Post by crusty54 on Oct 25, 2016 19:12:07 GMT
it doubled to £20 under the Greater London Authority Act 1999
On 11 January 2009, it was further raised to £50.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2016 20:18:01 GMT
They also have the cheek to add a processing fee on top of that, so hiding the true amount of the charge (I heard that you need to phone a premium rate phone line in order to make payment since the ticket offices were shut down).
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Post by superteacher on Oct 26, 2016 20:44:05 GMT
They also have the cheek to add a processing fee on top of that, so hiding the true amount of the charge (I heard that you need to phone a premium rate phone line in order to make payment since the ticket offices were shut down). I have little sympathy for those who moan about the admin fee. Pay your fare! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2016 21:21:05 GMT
They also have the cheek to add a processing fee on top of that, so hiding the true amount of the charge (I heard that you need to phone a premium rate phone line in order to make payment since the ticket offices were shut down). £2,40+ vs £80 take your pick why risk getting caught with those numbers not including the possibility of court. |
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Post by class411 on Oct 27, 2016 7:59:14 GMT
They also have the cheek to add a processing fee on top of that, so hiding the true amount of the charge (I heard that you need to phone a premium rate phone line in order to make payment since the ticket offices were shut down). I have little sympathy for those who moan about the admin fee. Pay your fare! They also have the cheek to add a processing fee on top of that, so hiding the true amount of the charge (I heard that you need to phone a premium rate phone line in order to make payment since the ticket offices were shut down). £2,40+ vs £80 take your pick why risk getting caught with those numbers not including the possibility of court. Whilst I'd agree with the above sentiments as regards people who didn't buy a ticket - which is probably what happened in virtually all cases as far as LU penalties go, what concerns me is NR and cases where people are caught out by the often near impenetrable rules by which some train companies operate. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Oct 27, 2016 12:49:59 GMT
My local council got its knuckles rapped for adding a credit card surcharge to parking fines www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/6005619/Motorists-set-to-recoup-parking-fines-after-credit-card-challenge.htmlPremium rate phone lines should be viewed in the same light. The penalty is the penalty. Even more penalties for motoring offences than penalty fares are innocent mistakes caused by confusing signs etc. My own tally of parking fines are - one where the hours of operation had changed from one week to the next without notice - one where a yellow line had been doubled without authority and then obscured by a puddle - one where a suspension was only advertised by a sign several car lengths away from its actual location - one where I had paid for a permit but put the wrong date (but the right day of the week) on it - one where, due to a change of plan, I did not go out until later than planned and forgot to a permit in the car until it was too late. And the appeal process is rigged - you are judged by the people who issued the ticket in the first place, you are not awarded costs if you win, and it's double or quits because if you lose you are out of time for the 50% discount for prompt payment. Grr: rant over. |
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Post by trt on Oct 27, 2016 13:47:18 GMT
Regarding fares, my son, and I don't know if to believe his version of events or not, was summoned to court for non-payment of a fare to an East Midlands train company.
He recalled an incident where he was directed onto the wrong train at Sheffield during a period of extreme disruption. The first he knew was when his ticket was inspected and he was told to get off at Derby and return to Sheffield to change to the other line which went to Barnsley (where his ticket was for). He stupidly gave his details and signed what he thought was an authority for onwards travel to be handed by the inspector to the charge hand at Derby to pass onto the guard on the northbound service. Yes, he's an idiot. He made his journey, but two months later got the court summons for non-payment between London and Leicester without ever having been issued with a penalty fare notice. Total fine, victim surcharge, costs etc came to over £250. If he had pleaded not guilty, it would have been easily over £500. He had no proof of anything save his word.
I reckon they got an incomplete ticket and just made up the journey details based on where the inspector SHOULD have been according to their duty roster, not accounting for the disruption that day. There wasn't a scrap of evidence to support his case, so he was advised to just take the hit and never cooperate so readily with ticket inspectors again.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Oct 27, 2016 15:39:43 GMT
There wasn't a scrap of evidence to support his case, so he was advised to just take the hit and never cooperate so readily with ticket inspectors again. That's shocking. If the facts are as you state, that is malicious prosecution and fraud. (By the company, not the passenger). I doubt a magistrate would have convicted if the facts are as you state - it seems no penalty notice was issued. And he was on the wrong train because of a fault by the company in the first place. Not safe to convict on such flimsy evidence, and if the inspector had been called as witness he would have had a very hard time justifying his actions. Remember what a fixed penalty notice is - it is a waiver to your rights under Magna Carta to a fair trial in a court of law. If you accept one, you are allowing the police (or other enforcement agency) to take over the role of the judiciary. There are clear dividing lines between the legislature (who make the law), the judiciary (who interpret the law in specific cases), and the police (who enforce the law as laid down by the other two), and an FPN erodes those divisions. You should only accept a FPN if you are sure that you would have pleaded guilty as charged if it had gone to court. |
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Post by Chris M on Oct 27, 2016 17:19:02 GMT
I was given a penalty fare on the DLR a few years back but appealed and was successful.
I'd boarded somewhere in west London (I can't remember where) spent a little bit of time (maybe 15 minutes at most) at Earl's Court while changing trains before continuing east. I made the OSI at Tower Hill-Tower Gateway, touching out and in correctly, and was on a train to Gallions Reach when the inspector checked my oyster card. They decided that I hadn't touched in at Tower Gateway and so gave me a penalty fare from there, advising me not to touch out at my destination. However when I got there I checked the balance and it was less than it should have been, so I did touch on the reader and hey presto it said "exit" and the balance was what I expected it to be.
I printed off my journey history a couple of days later and attached it to a letter detailing my movements and how I had not exceeded any journey time limits, etc. The response I got back was something along the lines that "in view of the circumstances" they would cancel the penalty fare, never admitting that I was in the right and the inspector was in the wrong.
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