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Post by 315 on Oct 13, 2016 6:44:41 GMT
Just a moment ago whilst at Latimer Rd, the driver of the H & C line train I was on from to Hammersmith announced that the line controller had asked her to terminate at Goldhawk Rd and run empty to Hammersmith. What would be the reason for this? There isn't direct access to the depot without reversing at Hammersmith.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Oct 13, 2016 7:23:09 GMT
There isn't direct access to the depot without reversing at Hammersmith. Trains can run into 24 Road at Hammersmith, a non-platform road next to the station and either enter the sidings or return eastbound. |
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Post by 315 on Oct 13, 2016 23:28:15 GMT
There isn't direct access to the depot without reversing at Hammersmith. Trains can run into 24 Road at Hammersmith, a non-platform road next to the station and either enter the sidings or return eastbound. That is exactly what happened, I'd forgotten about that road. Thanks for confirming. |
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Post by wimblephil on Nov 16, 2016 22:45:44 GMT
Twice in two days I've been on a Goldhawk Road terminator! The first day the next train came along quite quickly behind, so wasn't too bad, although it was rather a crush to get everyone back on!
Tonight, the next train took a good 5 minutes to come, and then sat in the platform for a few more minutes, before waiting outside Hammersmith for another good few minutes - and I had had to wait for the Goldhawk train for at least 10 minutes+
All in all it took me about 25-30 minutes just to go from Wood Lane to Hammersmith - could have just walked it!
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Post by class411 on Dec 29, 2022 14:55:17 GMT
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I was going from Shepherd's Bush Market to Hammersmith, today, and the first train terminated at Goldhawke Road.
In thirty years I've never known that happen before.
Is it an unusual movement, or just one of those weird coincidences where you always manage to miss something that's quite common (or keep observing something that's relatively rare)?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Dec 29, 2022 15:09:55 GMT
There are trains scheduled to arrive at Hammersmith 24 siding and run into the main sidings.
As they don’t serve the platforms at Hammersmith they detrain at Goldhawk Road.
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Post by spsmiler on Dec 29, 2022 18:04:55 GMT
I feel sure that this has happened to me, quite a while ago, in the past.
I would have been quite angry about it - because if the train was terminating at Goldwawk Road then this should have been the advertised
destination. Its almost dishonest to supply train destination information to passengers when you know full well that the passengers will be forcibly ejected and the train taken out of service at an earlier station.
Hammersmith may be accurate from a train scheduler's pov, but not the passengers if they are forced off at Goldhawk Road!
Hammersmith Met is not just a terminus station - its also an interchange station and making passengers wait an extra 5 - 10 minutes for the next train when they had expected a 'one seat through service' does nothing to foster good relationship between passengers and 'the railway'.
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Post by t697 on Dec 29, 2022 22:09:25 GMT
The train CIS certainly has Goldhawk Road as a destination. So does the ATC Signalling system.
Without knowing the exact train or time it's difficult to tell whether the train was timetabled to go to Hammersmith 24 Road or a need arose during the trip and maybe fairly late in the trip.
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Post by greatkingrat on Dec 29, 2022 22:34:32 GMT
I feel sure that this has happened to me, quite a while ago, in the past. I would have been quite angry about it - because if the train was terminating at Goldwawk Road then this should have been the advertised destination. Its almost dishonest to supply train destination information to passengers when you know full well that the passengers will be forcibly ejected and the train taken out of service at an earlier station. Hammersmith may be accurate from a train scheduler's pov, but not the passengers if they are forced off at Goldhawk Road! Hammersmith Met is not just a terminus station - its also an interchange station and making passengers wait an extra 5 - 10 minutes for the next train when they had expected a 'one seat through service' does nothing to foster good relationship between passengers and 'the railway'. Even if it had been advertised as termiating at Goldhawk Road all along, you would still have got to Hammersmith at exactly the same time either way. |
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Post by t697 on Dec 29, 2022 22:45:54 GMT
Yes but it's a bit draughtier waiting at the south end of Goldhawk Road station!
Perhaps today's victim will recall whether there was a platform indication at Shepherds Bush Market and whether it was correct.
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Post by class411 on Dec 30, 2022 2:25:12 GMT
Yes but it's a bit draughtier waiting at the south end of Goldhawk Road station! Perhaps today's victim will recall whether there was a platform indication at Shepherds Bush Market and whether it was correct. What do you mean by a ‘platform indication’? |
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Post by t697 on Dec 30, 2022 6:29:59 GMT
I was wondering whether there is a next train indicator screen. Maybe still not provided at Shepherd's Bush Market?
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Post by d7666 on Dec 30, 2022 8:53:05 GMT
There are trains scheduled to arrive at Hammersmith 24 siding and run into the main sidings. As they don’t serve the platforms at Hammersmith they detrain at Goldhawk Road. Except I don't think there are in the current WTT? There used to be, and there are still 2 starters that come off 24 Road, one early a.m. One late p.m. but a /quick/ check I didn't find any terminators; this was before this thread came up. |
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Post by Chris M on Dec 30, 2022 9:46:06 GMT
Having searched the current WTT available on the TfL website, there doesn't appear to be any passenger trains scheduled to terminate at Goldhawk Road.
This implies that the trip in question was diverted for some reason, most likely unplanned disruption. Depending when the decision was taken (and communicated to the driver) the train may well have advertised the destination of Hammersmith when the OP boarded as at that point that was the train's intended destination.
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Post by class411 on Dec 30, 2022 10:00:26 GMT
I was wondering whether there is a next train indicator screen. Maybe still not provided at Shepherd's Bush Market? Sorry, my brain didn't engage properly - I thought you meant an indication of which platform the train would end up in(at?). Yes, there are train indicators at Shepherd's bush and they work well. The train was described as a Goldhawke Road terminator on both the platform and the train. The driver also made an announcement. Every thing was correct and passengers were well informed. I only mentioned it because it is the only time I've ever seen this movement. (I rarely travel during the morning rush hour, so it may be more common then). |
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Post by t697 on Dec 30, 2022 16:59:33 GMT
Glad the information systems and T/Op announcements were on this occasion quite correct!
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Post by spsmiler on Dec 30, 2022 21:52:31 GMT
I feel sure that this has happened to me, quite a while ago, in the past. To avoid further confusion I'll add that this was in the days after the Circle line had become a teacup and before the S7 trains had been introduced |
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