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Post by snoggle on Aug 22, 2016 21:36:46 GMT
Courtesy of Ian Visits I see that plans for improving South Kensington are now starting to move forward. There are several elements involved including a) reconfigured ticket hall b) revising platform usage for sub surface services c) a new entrance from Thurloe Place d) a revised retail offer in the current arcade / "bullnose" area (to be refurbished) e) new properties and shops built up and on Pelham Street where the portacabins currently are. Seems TfL have been holding consultations locally - tfl.gov.uk/travel-information/improvements-and-projects/south-kensington More detail and a timeline on that link and the associated consultation site.
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Post by rsdworker on Aug 22, 2016 23:38:54 GMT
looks very good - i think TFL could put lifts in first but will be no step free between ticket hall and street like green park (had lifts between lines)
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Post by londoner on Aug 23, 2016 4:52:01 GMT
I use the station every day. I've not received any emails regarding any consultations. They really need to improve access into the tunnel. Having the ticket barriers adjacent to the entrance to the tunnel as it is now does not help things.
They also need to try to find the funding to install lifts to the Piccadilly lines. A lot of tourists use this line to go back into Central London and it links up important tourist destinations such as Knightsbridge, Hyde Park and Piccadilly Circus. This station is a major station for tourists. Its very important its redeveloped so that everyone can benefit from it and not just predominantly circle/ district line users.
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Post by crusty54 on Aug 23, 2016 5:35:35 GMT
I use the station every day. I've not received any emails regarding any consultations. They really need to improve access into the tunnel. Having the ticket barriers adjacent to the entrance to the tunnel as it is now does not help things. They also need to try to find the funding to install lifts to the Piccadilly lines. A lot of tourists use this line to go back into Central London and it links up important tourist destinations such as Knightsbridge, Hyde Park and Piccadilly Circus. This station is a major station for tourists. Its very important its redeveloped so that everyone can benefit from it and not just predominantly circle/ district line users. It does say lifts to all platforms.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Aug 23, 2016 6:37:24 GMT
It does say lifts to all platforms. Did the original lift shaft reach the westbound platform level or did it stop short at the eastbound platform ? Could one shaft be adapted to carry a modern lift ?
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Post by gantshill on Aug 23, 2016 7:33:20 GMT
I can't quote a source, but I have read that the Piccadilly lifts at South Kensington were unique on the early underground in that they stopped at both platform levels.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 8:26:30 GMT
It does say lifts to all platforms. Did the original lift shaft reach the westbound platform level or did it stop short at the eastbound platform ? There were two lower lift landings. (Picc) ticket hall to EB platform 58.5 ft travel, and EB Picc to WB Picc a further 18.33 ft travel. If I remember correctly, passengers were deposited on the EB and picked up EB passengers. It then went down to the WB and deposited/picked up, and then straight back to the top. I am assuming that this was the normal way of doing things because when we went to South Kensington on the Picc from Alperton, we always went 'down' before we went 'up' and then non-stopping the EB on the way up. Any other thoughts from readers would be grateful.
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Post by snoggle on Aug 23, 2016 8:59:48 GMT
I use the station every day. I've not received any emails regarding any consultations. They really need to improve access into the tunnel. Having the ticket barriers adjacent to the entrance to the tunnel as it is now does not help things. They also need to try to find the funding to install lifts to the Piccadilly lines. A lot of tourists use this line to go back into Central London and it links up important tourist destinations such as Knightsbridge, Hyde Park and Piccadilly Circus. This station is a major station for tourists. Its very important its redeveloped so that everyone can benefit from it and not just predominantly circle/ district line users. Lifts will be a later phase. One of the old shafts to the Picc Line will be reused. This Q&A document from a recent local presentation gives some insight as to what is planned.
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Post by theblackferret on Aug 23, 2016 9:46:55 GMT
Did the original lift shaft reach the westbound platform level or did it stop short at the eastbound platform ? There were two lower lift landings. (Picc) ticket hall to EB platform 58.5 ft travel, and EB Picc to WB Picc a further 18.33 ft travel. If I remember correctly, passengers were deposited on the EB and picked up EB passengers. It then went down to the WB and deposited/picked up, and then straight back to the top. I am assuming that this was the normal way of doing things because when we went to South Kensington on the Picc from Alperton, we always went 'down' before we went 'up' and then non-stopping the EB on the way up. Any other thoughts from readers would be grateful. Yes, it was, at least in the summer of 1967, which was when I did a French penpal exchange. We went to the museums from Charing Cross & got off at South Kensington & then caught the Piccadilly to Piccadilly Circus & on to the Bakerloo & Trafalgar Square. My father suggested we did the full circuit of the lifts, as he'd heard about this. My French friend was suitably stunned by the crazy English methodology, but so impressed by it, we had to repeat the exercise before re-entraining pigeonwards!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 22:18:15 GMT
How many lift shafts are there down to the pic line?
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Post by snoggle on Aug 23, 2016 22:55:29 GMT
How many lift shafts are there down to the pic line? The drawings would suggest there are two circular shafts. Only one shaft would be brought back into service - at least at ticket hall level. Don't know how they going to cope with the split level Picc platforms. The historical info given in other posts has certaintly taught me something. Despite having worked near S Ken for a fair while and using the station daily I confess I had no idea the shafts were in the position that they are.
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Post by theblackferret on Sept 30, 2016 19:58:31 GMT
Finally found out a bit more on the lifts & the different levels.
They were installed in 1907 when the Piccadilly line, as the GNBPR, opened.
South Kensington itself was opened by the District (as the MDR)in 1868 and the District obtained Parliamentary approval in 1897 for a new deep-level tube line which was to've been from West of Gloucester Road to Mansion House with just Embankment as an intermediate stop and, as per wiki:
To relieve the congestion, the DR planned an express deep-level tube line starting from a connection to its sub-surface tracks west of Gloucester Road and running to Mansion House. The tunnels were planned to run about 60 to 70 feet (18–21 m) beneath the existing sub-surface route with only one intermediate stop at Charing Cross (now Embankment). Parliamentary approval was obtained in 1897 but no work was done. In 1898, the DR took over the Brompton and Piccadilly Circus Railway (B&PCR) which had a route planned from South Kensington to Piccadilly Circus. The route was modified to join the DR deep-level route at South Kensington.
Following the purchase of the DR by the Underground Electric Railways Company of London in 1902, the planned DR and B&PCR lines were merged with a third proposed route from the Great Northern and Strand Railway. The DR deep-level route was revised at its western end to continue to Earl's Court and surface to the east of Barons Court.
The deep-level platforms were opened on 15 December 1906 by the Great Northern, Piccadilly and Brompton Railway (GNP&BR, now the Piccadilly line) which ran between Finsbury Park and Hammersmith.The platforms are placed eastbound above westbound and were originally served by lifts from street level stopping at both platform levels. Eastbound GNP&BR trains and DR trains would have shared the same platform with the two routes separating at a junction immediately to the east of the station. Westbound trains would have had separate platforms at the lower level with the routes merging at a junction west of the station. Although construction of the section of the DR tube route east of South Kensington had been postponed, a partial, 120-foot (37 m) long, section of the westbound DR platform was built along with the two for GNP&BR use. Though closed-off from the rest of the station, it was linked to the lift lobby and was tiled to match the other platforms. Enlarged tunnel sections for the junctions were constructed with the original running tunnels and remain visible from passing trains. A new surface building on Pelham Street for the lifts was designed by Leslie Green with the GNP&BR's distinctive ox-blood red glazed terracotta façade.
The unused westbound tunnel was used during World War I to store art from the Victoria & Albert Museum and china from Buckingham Palace and, from 1927 to 1939, was used as a signalling school. During World War II it contained equipment to detect bombs falling in the River Thames which might require the emergency floodgates on the under-river tunnels to be closed.
In the early 1970s the lifts to the Piccadilly line platforms were replaced by escalators, with one pair being provided between the ticket hall and a new intermediate level, where it met a linking passageway to the Circle and District line platforms, and three being provided from there to a lower concourse between the levels of the two Piccadilly line platforms. Stairs up and down from the lower concourse connect to the platforms. The stairs and passage to the westbound platform are located in the disused DR westbound platform tunnel. With the introduction of escalators, the GNP&BR station building was taken out of use.
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Post by londoner on Feb 20, 2017 17:50:04 GMT
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Post by brigham on Feb 21, 2017 12:16:09 GMT
Was the Parliamentary Approval for the Deep-Level District given a completion date, or is it still in force?
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Post by malcolmffc on Feb 21, 2017 13:57:22 GMT
Was the Parliamentary Approval for the Deep-Level District given a completion date, or is it still in force? Ha, that would be amusing if TfL just turned up one day and started digging on the basis that the 1908 approval allowed them to. I suspect it's unlikely. These do things do happen sometimes though. In the US the 27th Amendment was ratified in 1992 despite having first been proposed in 1789 and lain dormant for over 200 years...
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Post by norbitonflyer on Feb 21, 2017 14:20:21 GMT
Was the Parliamentary Approval for the Deep-Level District given a completion date, or is it still in force? Ha, that would be amusing if TfL just turned up one day and started digging on the basis that the 1908 approval allowed them to. I suspect it's unlikely. ... Subeterranea Brittanica reports that parliamentary approval was granted in 1897. 1908 was the year the powers were relinquished. In any case, the route will have been penetrated at several places, notably by the Jubilee Line at both Charing Cross and Westminster
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Post by londoner on Mar 27, 2017 21:39:00 GMT
I am very disappointed that a coffee shop is due to open, a few meters away from the ticket barriers, before the station has been redeveloped. This will surely only make the overcrowding far worse.
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Post by brigham on Mar 28, 2017 7:41:51 GMT
I am very disappointed that a coffee shop is due to open, a few meters away from the ticket barriers, before the station has been redeveloped. This will surely only make the overcrowding far worse. Weary passengers might think otherwise.
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Post by class411 on Mar 28, 2017 8:43:29 GMT
I am very disappointed that a coffee shop is due to open, a few meters away from the ticket barriers, before the station has been redeveloped. This will surely only make the overcrowding far worse. Gas meters? electricity meters? Whatever, it's going to be pretty tight there.
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Post by brigham on Mar 28, 2017 11:56:02 GMT
It's some foreign measurement, apparently. It's longer than a yard, you see!
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Post by norbitonflyer on Mar 28, 2017 13:50:38 GMT
The Combine always used American terminology - "trucks" not "bogies", "cars" not "carriages", so at South Kensington we can have meters instead of metres.
On the other hand, the Americans should only be allowed to decide how to spell the metric units when they decide to adopt them.
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Post by brigham on Mar 28, 2017 14:33:50 GMT
Americans use the Metric system for scientific purposes, just like everyone else. They simply don't use them when they are culturally inappropriate, such as for speed limits, or buying sausages.
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Post by countryman on Mar 28, 2017 17:12:19 GMT
Americans use the Metric system for scientific purposes, just like everyone else. They simply don't use them when they are culturally inappropriate, such as for speed limits, or buying sausages. It wouldn't be too bad if they used yards, as at least it is a reasonable approximation to metres/meters, but it takes an age to figure out 'works in 1500 feet'
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Post by brigham on Mar 29, 2017 7:14:45 GMT
It takes an age to divide 15 by 3?
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Post by norbitonflyer on Mar 29, 2017 7:50:20 GMT
Americans use the Metric system for scientific purposes, just like everyone else. Didn't some American space craft come to grief because something was calibrated in inches instead of cm? Edit: The Mars Climate Orbiter, which failed to enter orbit because the software calculated the required thrust in lb force but the thrusters read it as metric Newtons. Result was that thrust delivered was less than a quarter of what was needed and the probe burnt up in the atmosphere it was supposed to have studied.
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Post by alpinejohn on Apr 2, 2017 14:36:32 GMT
It seems TFL have begun looking for partners to develop and update facilities at the "listed" South Kensington Station. More information is here Construction Enquirer ArticleBut in summary, TFL hope to provide step free access at the station, with the costs either fully or partially funded by additional retail facilities.
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Post by countryman on Apr 3, 2017 6:49:56 GMT
It takes an age to divide 15 by 3? When you are driving on a busy Interstate I don't necessarily wish to be trying to do mental arithmetic!!!
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Post by class411 on Apr 3, 2017 7:32:52 GMT
It takes an age to divide 15 by 3? When you are driving on a busy Interstate I don't necessarily wish to be trying to do mental arithmetic!!! Why would mental arithmetic be difficult just because someone else is driving on an 'interstate' - whatever that might be?
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Post by brigham on Apr 3, 2017 8:03:08 GMT
I would think that driving on the wrong side of the road would demand more attention than working out what 1500 feet is in yards!
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Post by countryman on Apr 3, 2017 8:28:23 GMT
I would think that driving on the wrong side of the road would demand more attention than working out what 1500 feet is in yards! Exactly!
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