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Post by phoenixcronin on Jun 2, 2017 15:55:04 GMT
I think it looks better, although I'm surprised they've painted the doors white as well. Grey doors would contrast nicely with the white saloon IMHO
Also, on a side note they remind me of the old white doors on the C stock
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Post by North End on Jun 2, 2017 21:43:42 GMT
I think it looks better, although I'm surprised they've painted the doors white as well. Grey doors would contrast nicely with the white saloon IMHO Also, on a side note they remind me of the old white doors on the C stock Seems like the Jubilee just can't bring themselves to copy the Northern Line. In my view the white looks better, but I'd keep the doors grey. One would think LU had learned from the early 1990s refurbishments that white doors show dirt and scrape marks badly. I'd have gone for a copy of the 95 stock refurb but with the grey grab poles which I actually think look quite good. Also I'd change the seat moquette to something more in keeping with the colour scheme. |
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Post by silenthunter on Jul 8, 2017 17:08:28 GMT
I saw they've changed the bar colours the other day - weren't they yellow before?
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Post by MoreToJack on Jul 8, 2017 17:31:30 GMT
I saw they've changed the bar colours the other day - weren't they yellow before? Yes. |
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Post by spsmiler on Jul 8, 2017 23:34:14 GMT
Seems like the Jubilee just can't bring themselves to copy the Northern Line. In my view the white looks better, but I'd keep the doors grey. One would think LU had learned from the early 1990s refurbishments that white doors show dirt and scrape marks badly. I'd have gone for a copy of the 95 stock refurb but with the grey grab poles which I actually think look quite good. Also I'd change the seat moquette to something more in keeping with the colour scheme. If LU think that the Barmen fabric design must be used then the solution could be to use the same fabric colour scheme as the Bakerloo Line, as this includes grey / gray colour. The blue version is just so wrong - it does not match the internal colour scheme on these trains. Simon |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 8:40:00 GMT
Having ONE standard moquette design across the whole Tube fleet would give a unified corporate image, and of course saves money too. i.e. A higher quality image presented for less outlay.
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Jul 10, 2017 12:20:50 GMT
Having ONE standard moquette design across the whole Tube fleet would give a unified corporate image, and of course saves money too. i.e. A higher quality image presented for less outlay. But then what about special differences between the different line (aside from stock)? IMO it makes journeys more interesting when there are different moquettes on different lines. |
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Post by Alight on Jul 10, 2017 14:54:38 GMT
It's funny, now I am travelling on the unrefreshed 1996 stock and thinking how 'of a period' they look... I am not going to miss the yellow grapefruit grab poles.
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Post by North End on Jul 10, 2017 15:14:40 GMT
It's funny, now I am travelling on the unrefreshed 1996 stock and thinking how 'of a period' they look... I am not going to miss the yellow grapefruit grab poles. I never particularly liked the yellow, however it did all look better when the trains still had their original moquette. Like the rest of the 1990s refurbishments the interior was designed as a complete finished product, which was lost as soon as the ghastly Tube Lines moquette appeared, and the Barman is only marginally less ghastly in my view. |
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Post by Alight on Jul 10, 2017 15:33:21 GMT
Like the rest of the 1990s refurbishments the interior was designed as a complete finished product, which was lost as soon as the ghastly Tube Lines moquette appeared, and the Barman is only marginally less ghastly in my view. Like a rose among the thorns... Clicky |
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Post by Chris M on Jul 10, 2017 17:51:41 GMT
Personally I think having trains on different lines look different is good thing as it acts as another indicator to someone they are on the right (or wrong) line. Obviously the Circle and District lines cannot be distinguished from one another, but should be from other lines.
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Post by roman80 on Jul 10, 2017 22:01:33 GMT
Personally I think having trains on different lines look different is good thing as it acts as another indicator to someone they are on the right (or wrong) line. Obviously the Circle and District lines cannot be distinguished from one another, but should be from other lines. It's a pity more use is not made of electronic displays in the S stock and this jubilee upgrade to achieve this differentiation. The interior information systems haven't moved with the times. Hopefully as LCD displays become even cheaper that may change. The upgrade makes no use of the technological advances of the last twenty years. A couple of examples from around the world: the moving electronic dot on the map above the seats in the New York subway 4,5,6 lines, showing where the train is. Or the electronic displays above or in the train doors in Tokyo showing the door opening side and next station in multiple languages. Such things can easily show different lines by having a different coloured background or similar. Current displays around the underground take an age to say anything. Does a tourist want to wait an age while the display slowly scrolls out 'this is a district line train to Wimbledon' when it could flash between 'District to Wimbledon' and 'Next: Sloane Square' every five seconds? |
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Jul 11, 2017 8:05:46 GMT
...current displays around the underground take an age to say anything. Does a tourist want to wait an age while the display slowly scrolls out 'this is a district line train to Wimbledon' when it could flash between 'District to Wimbledon' and 'Next: Sloane Square' every five seconds? But then I would presume that they knew where the train was headed to when boarding the train. They could look at the next train indicators on the platforms, listen to announcements or look at the front of the train. Also, the 'next station is: . This is a x line train to: ." announcements on the S stock are usually played before the train departs. If I remember rightly the 1996 stock displays show scroll the next station immediately after departing and also almost continually show the destination at the station. |
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Post by Chris M on Jul 11, 2017 9:21:33 GMT
The 1996 displays spend almost all their time scrolling the destination. On the approach to a station it will scroll the name the next station and the destination. This is annoying if you're reading or something and look up to find where you are on the line as you have to wait until the approach to a station. Every now and again the automated system (audio and visual) tell you only the destination - not even what the current station is when you're station at one.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 13:39:07 GMT
The 1996 displays spend almost all their time scrolling the destination. On the approach to a station it will scroll the name the next station and the destination. This is annoying if you're reading or something and look up to find where you are on the line as you have to wait until the approach to a station. Every now and again the automated system (audio and visual) tell you only the destination - not even what the current station is when you're station at one. Just caught a Northbound service from Westminster and it failed altogether to display or announce the next station, side for the doors and the interchange. Upon the doors opening it jumped straight to announcing , "this train terminates at Wembley Park". For the duration of the journey the internal display just displayed the destination.. |
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Post by phoenixcronin on Jul 11, 2017 21:22:45 GMT
The 1996 displays spend almost all their time scrolling the destination. On the approach to a station it will scroll the name the next station and the destination. This is annoying if you're reading or something and look up to find where you are on the line as you have to wait until the approach to a station. Every now and again the automated system (audio and visual) tell you only the destination - not even what the current station is when you're station at one. Just caught a Northbound service from Westminster and it failed altogether to display or announce the next station, side for the doors and the interchange. Upon the doors opening it jumped straight to announcing , "this train terminates at Wembley Park". For the duration of the journey the internal display just displayed the destination.. I believe this is what happens when the PIS fails and can't tell where the train is. Same thing happens on the 73 Stock, which just scrolls through "This train is for COCKFOSTERS" |
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Jul 12, 2017 9:11:08 GMT
Just caught a Northbound service from Westminster and it failed altogether to display or announce the next station, side for the doors and the interchange. Upon the doors opening it jumped straight to announcing , "this train terminates at Wembley Park". For the duration of the journey the internal display just displayed the destination.. Well it appears that I have been proved wrong. |
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Post by Alight on Jul 12, 2017 9:51:05 GMT
Just caught a Northbound service from Westminster and it failed altogether to display or announce the next station, side for the doors and the interchange. Upon the doors opening it jumped straight to announcing , "this train terminates at Wembley Park". For the duration of the journey the internal display just displayed the destination.. I believe this is what happens when the PIS fails and can't tell where the train is. Same thing happens on the 73 Stock, which just scrolls through "This train is for COCKFOSTERS" Doesn't have to be a system failure. Sometimes the driver chooses to turn off the CIS completely, in which case it defaults to the original "This train is for Cockfosters" (the capital letters and the pause no longer occur), which simply takes its data from the front-of-train indicator. In fact it is common to see this at stations such as Arnos Grove where the train is waiting on the platform for 10 min... usually within the last minute before departure, the driver sets up the CIS and you hear a "This is a Piccadilly line service to Northfields" or wherever. Obviously if they forget to do this, the 'original' message will just keep scrolling throughout the journey. |
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Post by superteacher on Jul 12, 2017 9:54:48 GMT
On topic please . . .
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Post by mcmaddog on Jul 14, 2017 18:32:56 GMT
I had my first journey on one this evening and I'm sorry to say I'm not impressed. I'd say the interior looks no newer than before and the colour palette chosen is quite gloomy. Given previous tube refurbishments have been quite transformational this is a let down in my opinion and I actually quite miss the purple accents.
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Post by silenthunter on Jul 14, 2017 20:33:18 GMT
In some countries, they have full LCD screens hanging from the ceiling that also show adverts.
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Post by t697 on Jul 14, 2017 22:52:27 GMT
In some countries, they have full LCD screens hanging from the ceiling that also show adverts. The latest UK commuter trains from Siemens and Bombardier also have such screens although just showing journey information I think. Hanging them from the ceiling in the Jubilee line 96TS would be a bit of a headroom problem though! |
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Post by a60 on Jul 14, 2017 23:29:32 GMT
I had my first journey on one this evening and I'm sorry to say I'm not impressed. I'd say the interior looks no newer than before and the colour palette chosen is quite gloomy. Given previous tube refurbishments have been quite transformational this is a let down in my opinion and I actually quite miss the purple accents. I think 'gloomy' is very much the 'in' thing right now, I feel that society seems to imitate what happened 50 years before, in the 1980's art deco was back in fashion and now in the 2010's the 60's thing for dull and functional design where possible is the in vogue thing. That is why every high-rise built in the last decade or so essentially looks the same, just a drab glass confection. Train interiors are much the same now as they were in 60's, the new Merseyrail trains are going to be grey and yellow in something that would have been very trendy in the 60's, the Class 345's have a grey interior which (had the poles have been red) wouldn't be too far off the original A-Stock interior, and the 96TS refurb is much like being in a slightly brighter version of the original 1967 stock. The 50 year rule seems to repeat without fail, to my mind. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2017 20:12:39 GMT
Retro Styling IS back in fashion now, you are right, the modern train designs emphasise Grey as the main colour scheme. Grey is actually very suitable for this Gloomy Decade as a whole!
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Post by silenthunter on Jul 15, 2017 20:32:52 GMT
In some countries, they have full LCD screens hanging from the ceiling that also show adverts. The latest UK commuter trains from Siemens and Bombardier also have such screens although just showing journey information I think. Hanging them from the ceiling in the Jubilee line 96TS would be a bit of a headroom problem though! True, although you could do them in the S Stock. |
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Jul 17, 2017 6:08:47 GMT
The latest UK commuter trains from Siemens and Bombardier also have such screens although just showing journey information I think. Hanging them from the ceiling in the Jubilee line 96TS would be a bit of a headroom problem though! True, although you could do them in the S Stock. They could place those in the same way as the 700s |
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Post by i3lu on Jul 22, 2017 8:44:39 GMT
Another refurbished train is #96010.I couldn't see his pair.
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Post by scheduler on Aug 11, 2017 22:53:26 GMT
I think the grey is to match the line's colour. Like the Bakerloo has brown grabrails. Keep making the grabrails the same colour as the line, we should have plenty of different colours to amuse us.
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Post by zcap on Aug 12, 2017 21:39:21 GMT
Having ridden only once so far on a refurbed unit (even though I get the Jubilee almost every day), I do like the new feel of the inside. But since the retro feel is in (the original interior and seat moquette was quite retro imo) it wouldve been great though if they just made the interiors orange, wooden floors and used an orange, red and black rectangular seat moquette. Oops.  Ok, my point is, I just dont like the current moquette. I think its a bit,well, bland to be fair. Twould be nice if we went back to each stock having its own pattern. Maybe even the current pattern but in grey for the '96 stock. I just feel like, the moquette, whilst relatively new, feels really out of place and old in comparison to the rest of the brand spanking new interior. In contrast, the moquette worked perfectly with the '95 stock post refurb (and still does imo). It just removes from the freshness of the new interiors for the '96 stock I think. |
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Post by MoreToJack on Aug 13, 2017 0:37:59 GMT
The main difference between moquettes n the '95 and '96TS refers is that the former was replaced whilst the latter is the worn material from pre-refurbbishment. I'm not a fan of either (as noted up thread) but I do feel that a replacement of the moquette with new Barman would have at least improved the ambience, instead of offering a half-finished look.
But it's still naff.
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