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Post by snoggle on Jul 1, 2016 12:28:57 GMT
A proposed new programme of works to improve the reliability and functionality of the 92 stock fleet on the Central Line. content.tfl.gov.uk/fpc-160708-15-central-line-improvement-programme.pdfThe programme covers replacement of the DC traction motors, more car body works, replacement of obsolete components, replacement of the data transmission system, RVAR works. Also proposes the withdrawal of through trains on the Woodford - Hainault section with it becoming a shuttle service instead. Also restoration of 100kph running on some open air sectons. These measures are to allow release of trains during the proposed works. The authority being sought now covers further development of options and costs with final authority being sought at the end of the year. Very interesting that the preferred solution is financially positive - based on considerable reductions in maintenance costs.
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Post by class411 on Jul 1, 2016 13:17:50 GMT
Any chance they could give the trains a thorough clean - inside and out?
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Post by will on Jul 1, 2016 19:04:43 GMT
It's really positive to finally see them attempting to run trains at 100kph / 62 mph. This hopefully will allow them to run a more frequent service for longer than can be achieved currently. I also wasn't aware that the Central line had regenerative braking capacity.
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Post by stapler on Jul 2, 2016 7:16:57 GMT
If I read this correctly (and it's so full of acronyms and jargon I may not have) - there will be an end during the works to any through running at either end of the Loop. This at a time when large housing development is likely at Roding Valley and Chigwell (and perhaps Grange Hill as well). I assume to save the necessary stock this will also involve reductions in frequency on the Hainault Branch and through the centre..... As far as max 62mph running is concerned, strikes me that just reinstating the traget of 25 years ago is a bit tame. Is there some reason why 70mph could not be aimed at with the remotored, strengthened stock?
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Post by superteacher on Jul 2, 2016 7:53:45 GMT
One day, the Central line peak frequency may even be increased to what it was 40 - 50 years ago . . Progress for you!
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Post by will on Jul 2, 2016 8:23:15 GMT
One day, the Central line peak frequency may even be increased to what it was 40 - 50 years ago . . Progress for you! What was the peak frequency years ago?
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Post by hobbayne on Jul 2, 2016 9:50:18 GMT
I suppose this will result in number of cancellations. The Central has 85 8 car trains. If some are withdrawn from service for these mods there will be consequences.
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Post by snoggle on Jul 2, 2016 10:24:42 GMT
If I read this correctly (and it's so full of acronyms and jargon I may not have) - there will be an end during the works to any through running at either end of the Loop. This at a time when large housing development is likely at Roding Valley and Chigwell (and perhaps Grange Hill as well). I assume to save the necessary stock this will also involve reductions in frequency on the Hainault Branch and through the centre..... As far as max 62mph running is concerned, strikes me that just reinstating the traget of 25 years ago is a bit tame. Is there some reason why 70mph could not be aimed at with the remotored, strengthened stock? It looks to me, reading between the lines, that TfL are hoping for / expecting a short term fall in patronage on the Central Line as a result of Crossrail opening. They've made a judgement as to how much resource they can practically take out of the fleet in the short term to facilitate a major piece of work to try to "rescue" the 92 stock. The other imperative is that there are obvious concerns about excessive maintenance costs given there's no prospect of fleet replacement until the 2030s (if they're lucky). The train service planners have clearly developed a short term strategy to get round trip times down to allow a smaller fleet to broadly maintain existing service levels during the modification programme. I don't see the loss of through services on the Woodford - Hainault section as any great crisis. The intermediate stations are very lightly used and in another universe they'd have gone long ago. If a lot more housing is built and there is an increase in commuter demand then that might give the imperative to restore through services but we are in an era where marginal services are going to be trimmed. We are seeing this on the bus network where marginal school routes are being axed and cross boundary services will inevitably go / be cut back. The same will have to happen to some bits of the tube where there isn't the day round demand. I can easily see some off peak frequency trimming at the outer reaches of the District and Central Lines although the central area frequencies will be retained.
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Post by stapler on Jul 2, 2016 12:12:11 GMT
Certainly agree Roding Valley is a fortuitous survival, also perhaps Fairlop.You could argue that about the whole Loop;Hainault was closed for 22 years anyway. Any more reversing at Woodford with the present layout would be a disaster operationally....
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Post by hobbayne on Jul 2, 2016 16:54:48 GMT
Certainly agree Roding Valley is a fortuitous survival, also perhaps Fairlop.You could argue that about the whole Loop;Hainault was closed for 22 years anyway. Any more reversing at Woodford with the present layout would be a disaster operationally.... Fairlop has got a lot busier in recent years. It was so quiet back in the day, that it was closed at weekends. Now, Its up there with Barkingside for traffic.
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Post by superteacher on Jul 2, 2016 20:39:37 GMT
One day, the Central line peak frequency may even be increased to what it was 40 - 50 years ago . . Progress for you! What was the peak frequency years ago? 30 tph in both peaks, in both directions. OK, so they run 34 tph for half an hour in the am peak in the westbound direction, but 30 tph in both directions hasn't been achieved for years.
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Post by John Tuthill on Jul 2, 2016 20:44:41 GMT
Certainly agree Roding Valley is a fortuitous survival, also perhaps Fairlop.You could argue that about the whole Loop;Hainault was closed for 22 years anyway. Any more reversing at Woodford with the present layout would be a disaster operationally.... Fairlop has got a lot busier in recent years. It was so quiet back in the day, that it was closed at weekends. Now, Its up there with Barkingside for traffic. And to think at one time Fairlop Aerodrome was considered as a site for the post war London Airport.
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Post by Ben on Jul 2, 2016 21:12:28 GMT
There are some nuggets of bluntness in the paper its refreshing to read so clearly in an official document. We all know they were poorly designed, poorly built, and teeming with obsolescence, but whilst the legacy stock was still going strong on the system it was always downplayed. Presumably now the A, C and 67 stocks are gone they don't have to pretend that 'newer is always better', and can get on with telling it how it is.
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Post by will on Jul 2, 2016 22:21:29 GMT
What was the peak frequency years ago? 30 tph in both peaks, in both directions. OK, so they run 34 tph for half an hour in the am peak in the westbound direction, but 30 tph in both directions hasn't been achieved for years. And that's before you include the trains cancelled every day (usually at least 7/10) due to them being faulty, taken out of service or unable to enter service. On most days the Central line doesn't manage to meet its peak service frequency targets with usually 2/3 trains an hour missed in at least one direction in the peaks.
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Post by Ben on Jul 3, 2016 20:52:50 GMT
With a fundamental lack of carriages, yet all this work also being done on W&C stock, is there any intention to replace the w&c stock with the NTfL/95 clones and transfer it over?
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