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Post by up1989 on Jun 24, 2016 14:36:07 GMT
I wonder if anyone can share if much manual driving happens on the Vic line since the new 2009 stock has come in?
I got got on a Vic train at Euston and the driver appeared to have her hand on the tbc.
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Post by seaeagle on Jun 24, 2016 15:29:11 GMT
A lot of T/OP's have their hand on the handle even though the train is in auto just in case something happens. Very little manual driving takes place now that there is hardly any staff trains.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 16:03:29 GMT
How exactly does manual driving under DTG-R work, if ever it's called for? What indications does the driver drive to?
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Post by up1989 on Jun 24, 2016 17:38:51 GMT
When I come into a platform in ato on the Northen I always hover the tbc, but she looked like she was in the braking arc. On the Northen we have anp abit of the time but I can't see the need for it on the Vic as its mainly all tunnel sections so no track workers?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 19:26:27 GMT
Even back in the 1967 stock days, you often see the Train Operator's hand resting on the Traction & Braking Control Lever when approaching ststions - Just In Case!
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Post by rincew1nd on Jun 24, 2016 20:13:25 GMT
Even back in the 1967 stock days, you often see the Train Operator's hand resting on the Traction & Braking Control Lever when approaching ststions - Just In Case! Sometimes even needing it...
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Post by class411 on Jun 25, 2016 8:16:22 GMT
Even back in the 1967 stock days, you often see the Train Operator's hand resting on the Traction & Braking Control Lever when approaching ststions - Just In Case! Sometimes even needing it... I experienced that once, in the early seventies. Coming into Oxford Circus (IIRC) northbound, there was a sound like a short, very loud, fart (sorry, that really is the best way to describe it), and everyone was hurled forward. Fortunately the train was only very lightly loaded and the few people standing (in my carriage) were in the doorways and did not get thrown far. The train came to a stop with the first carriage well into the tunnel.
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Post by PiccNT on Jun 30, 2016 22:58:28 GMT
The 2009 stock trains, unlike the 1967 stock, can be driven in Protected Manual. The 1967 stock didn't have that option and could only drive at a very slow speed should the ATO fail. On other ATO lines, T/Ops are encouraged to drive in PM on Sundays and Bank Holidays on certain sections of the line to keep up their skill level. I was on the front of a Vic Line train recently and the T/Op did drive in PM between two stations.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 23:29:27 GMT
The 2009 stock trains, unlike the 1967 stock, can be driven in Protected Manual. The 1967 stock didn't have that option and could only drive at a very slow speed should the ATO fail. That's not quite true as far as my history goes. The original intention was for the train to be able to be driven at full line speed in Coded Manual mode, but in the end the system wasn't implemented as well as perhaps it could have been and it became necessary to impose a blanket maximum speed of 25 mph in order to avoid running into problems. Tubeprune explains more: Of course, perhaps that's what you meant all along, although if so, you and I would differ in our interpretation of "very slow," although doubtless 25 mph is too slow for Coded Manual to present a generally usable alternative to Auto and its use was avoided except where necessary and on the Seven Sisters - Northumberland Park Depot section, which could not be done in Auto back then.
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Post by class411 on Jul 1, 2016 12:01:17 GMT
... it became necessary to impose a blanket maximum speed of 25 mph in order to avoid running into problems. By 'problems', do you mean 'trains'? I'll get me coat.
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Post by North End on Jul 1, 2016 13:56:38 GMT
... it became necessary to impose a blanket maximum speed of 25 mph in order to avoid running into problems. By 'problems', do you mean 'trains'? No. The issue was that there was no advance warning of a change in codes (unless the driver happened to be able to sight a red signal in the distance - where provided and where visible). The change in code normally occurred in the rear of the signal (or headway post), which means that if speed were not reduced there would be an emergency brake application - uncomfortable for the passengers and introducing the risk of flatting the wheels. Depending on braking distances I presume there was a risk that the emergency brake application might not stop the train before the signal in some or all circumstances. However the setup was designed to ensure the train would always be stopped within the overlap. Another unusual feature of the original Victoria Line signalling was that most platforms had a red/white/green home signal. Once the train ahead started moving the home signal would clear to a white aspect, with the preceding train protected by codes only. It was arranged so that with normal operation the following train should never catch up with the departing train quickly enough that it would encounter a stop code. This was a most unusual setup in that it was the only circumstance on LU at the time where a train wouldn't have either a signal or headway post behind it. Naturally if the departing train stopped unexpectedly (e.g. passenger alarm) the following train would get an emergency brake application. (Some time in the 2000s this happened and the unions jumped on it saying there had been a "near collision" between two Victoria Line trains - when in fact the system had performed exactly as designed).
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Post by up1989 on Jul 1, 2016 15:46:25 GMT
This might be a stupid question but did the 67 stock trains have trip cocks and train stops?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2016 16:23:45 GMT
This might be a stupid question but did the 67 stock trains have trip cocks and train stops? Train protection on the Victoria line was done by the ATP (although Tubeprube informs me that in those days it was referred to as The Safety Box). However, Victoria line trains sometimes had to be moved to Acton Works over the Piccadilly line, requiring them to be fitted with tripcocks for that journey. Apparently they weren't allowed in passenger service with tripcocks fitted.
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Post by seaeagle on Jul 2, 2016 8:44:26 GMT
Apparently they weren't allowed in passenger service with tripcocks fitted. Something that was conveniently overlooked on a railtour in May 2011!
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Post by trainopd78 on Jul 10, 2016 19:18:04 GMT
When o was road training we was only allowed to drive manually outside of the peaks between sisters and walthamstow. The braking profile offered to the driver is a lot slower than that offered to trains in ATO. Manual was a stupidly slow profile so would get in the way of trains behind in the busiest times. Im not sure of the situation now everything goes to walthamstow but its the only way other than depot working to get stock handling.
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