Crossrail Mk2

It's been in the works since 1970, so 2025 sounds like a reasonable opening date -
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelney

Seriously though - if the government and TfL can get the bill through and the funding package together by 2015, then there should be substantial savings from using the same project management and construction teams who'll have just finished the civils for Crossrail I. That would fit with a 2025 opening.

the safeguarding documents have been taken down , however I found thisso it still seems that it's a Parsons Green route, and it doesn't say that Kings Road will be removed, and what you thought was a rerouting is a reversing/train stabling/construction enabling spur. It's probably an embryonic branch, but the route still heads to Parsons Green.

Heres it from the horse mouth, doubt it will be up and running by 2025 tho.

Thank you for your e-mail enquiry to the Crossrail Helpdesk dated 9 October 2007, which has been passed to me for attention.

Further to your request I have the following information which I hope you find useful;

Cross London Rail Links Limited (CLRL) acts as an agent for London Underground Limited in the administration of the Chelsea-Hackney line safeguarding direction made by the then Department of Transport in 1991.

The current safeguarded route for the Chelsea-Hackney follows an alignment from Wimbledon in the south along the route of London Underground’s District line, and enters a proposed new tunnel north of the Thames at Parsons Green. The existing stations at Wimbledon, Southfields, East Putney and Putney Bridge would be served.

From Parsons Green the proposed new tunnel would continue to new stations at Kings Road and Chelsea, and to Victoria, Tottenham Court Road and Kings Cross in the central London area. The planned route would surface in north London, near to Leytonstone, and then run on London Underground’s Central line to Epping.

You will be aware that the Government is promoting the Crossrail scheme (Maidenhead/Heathrow to Shenfield/Abbey Wood) and a hybrid Bill was deposited in parliament in February 2005, securing its Second Reading immediately prior to the recess in July 2005. The design resources, parliamentary resources and planning resources required to promote Crossrail are very substantial, and the collective desire of the Department for Transport and Transport for London is to promote Crossrail, whilst maintaining the existing safeguarding of the Chelsea-Hackney for development at some point in the future. Therefore so long as there is a considerable amount of work on the Crossrail project, the Chelsea-Hackney is not at this stage subject to any further development, although CLRL retain responsibility for safeguarding.

I have attached copies of the safeguarded route map for the Chelsea-Hackney Line (Crossrail Line 2) for your information.

Further to your query regarding platform edge doors Cross London Rail Links Limited proposes to provide platform edge doors (PEDS) at all new subsurface stations.

The primary benefits of PEDS relate to safety and the reliability of services. PEDS will prevent ’person under the train’ incidents (both accidental and deliberate) and consequently the effects on services which result from these incidents. There will also be a reduction in the overall number of accidents at the platform train interface.

The secondary benefits relate to ambience and additionally safety. There will be a reduction in the amount of litter blown into the tunnels and the consequent fire hazard. PEDS will improve the passenger environment on the platform including reducing the air turbulence effects from train movements.

Should you require any further information or assistance with any other aspect of the project please do not hesitate to contact the Crossrail Helpdesk on 0845 602 3813 or e-mail helpdesk@crossrail.co.uk.

Kind Regards

Well the safeguarding plans I have have Wimbledon Park as a station. Although the promised attached files were none existent.

The HSE no longer have any responsibility for the railways (HMRI is now part of ORR), so possibly this requirement has been waived?

Can you prove it's just skimmed Wikipedia, rather than just using available facts?

Is there any point in worrying about it? I have become very cynical and sceptical over the last 30 years. When I joined LT in 1977 Stage 1 Jubilee line was almost completed and we all expected to be working on Stage 2 within a year or two. Some of my colleagues were looking forward to relocating from Whitechapel to Thamesmead temporary depot and it never happened.
In the early 1990s I was surveying the LU sites in readiness for diversion enabling works for CrossRail which we all believed was imminent and it never happened.
CrossRail 2? Well I'm approaching 55 but I think this could still be on the drawing board when I'm 100 !

You're correct, the Leyton to Ongar section was Great Eastern as was Newbury Park to Woodford so it is all built to mainline loading gauge.

Crossrail 2 isn't anything at the moment - it's just an outline sketch rather than an active project and there could be all sorts of changes once they do a proper analysis of route options and so on in 10 years' time. It could conceivably still end up being part of the tube, but it'll almost certainly be built full-size rather than tube-gauge, which means going to Epping to avoid the tube tunnels on the loop.

The current safeguarded route does have a station at King's Road, but Sloane Square is in doubt. I was misremembering when I said otherwise upthread.

Having a station at Sloane Square makes me think it's going to end up more 'tube like' with closer together stations.

I don't really see the point in the alignment north of King's Cross personally, it practically mirrors the North London line, it should go further north and into 'virgin territory'...

Why does it have to have smaller tunnels to go to Piccadilly Circus and Tottenham Court Road? Does it have to have tube-sized tunnels or could something like the DLR's tunnel width be adequate? It's doubtful a 'tube line' would need to have tunnels wide enough to accomodate overhead wires.