roythebus
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Post by roythebus on Jun 16, 2016 20:24:32 GMT
I went to the Coldplay concert yesterday evening (14/6/16) with my partner Lisa, travelling from Ashford Kent to St.Pancras on HS1, then downstairs to the Met to Wembley Park. The journey was rather slow from Baker Street to Finchley Road being "on the block". Funny, "Sonia" announced several times the train was no longer an all stations to Uxbridge but a semi-fast Watford! The dot matrixes showed the next station to be Baker Street! People were wondering if we'd been going backwards. Eventually the driver came on and explained the train would now not stop at Wembley Park, Preston Road or Northwick Park, despite having a full load on who wanted Wembley!
Anyway, we all piled off at Finchley Road and most managed to sardine themselves onto the next 2 trains, most not very happy.
Leaving the concert dead on 2230, we had to be at STP for the 0016 back to Ashford. It was not to be; the crowd control system was unable to cope with the crowd! It wasn't the matter of stadium staff causing the problem, they were quite helpful and the crowd was quite cheerful, but we waited about 15 minutes in the station booking hall just to get on the platform! Change at Baker Street, the Barking train rolled in at 0007, causing us to miss the 0016 by a few minutes. there were about a dozen others who had similarly been caught out. It cost us a fortune to get a taxi home to Ashford, so needless to say we won't bother going by train to Wembley and more, and probably never again for a social visit like this. Neither the road system or LUL seem to able to manage. It really isn't good enough. An hour and forty minutes from Wembley Stadium to St.Pancras? Pah.
Presumably we can blame TfL/LUL management for cutting station staff back so much they can no longer deal with crush loads, or maybe the Met management have lost the plot?
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Post by geriatrix on Jun 17, 2016 8:43:54 GMT
From past experience Chiltern Railways are rather better at handling these situations than TFL. Would suggest using the Wembley Stadium to Marylebone link instead of the Met. And v/v, of course.
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Post by countryman on Jun 17, 2016 8:46:46 GMT
But then it is a more difficult change to get to STP, involving a significant walk to Baker street.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2016 12:57:13 GMT
Personally I would not call the stroll from Marylebone to Baker Street significant. It takes about 5 or so minutes to the side entrance on Baker Street itself. Of course if travelling with luggage or unable to walk far it is a different matter, but if able bodies and unencumbered it is quick and on the level until you head into Baker Street station itself.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jun 17, 2016 13:25:19 GMT
There is also Wembley Central to Euston (or to Charing Cross on the Bakerloo as you're heading for Kent)
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Post by geriatrix on Jun 17, 2016 14:12:36 GMT
But then it is a more difficult change to get to STP, involving a significant walk to Baker street. You could take the Bakerloo from Marylebone one stop to Baker Street, and then its a cross platform (nearly) interchange to the Jubilee, I believe. But if no luggage it is a fairly short, and rather pleasant walk to Baker Street.
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Post by peterc on Jun 17, 2016 14:28:12 GMT
From the Chiltern platforms at Marylebone to the Sub Surface Lines isn't much worse, in dry weather, than coming up from the Bakerloo or Jubilee platforms. (Unless your train goes into one of the new platforms most of the way to Lords that is)
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Post by Jerome H on Jun 17, 2016 14:35:48 GMT
Do LU run special services for events such as Wembley? I'd imagine brining a few extra trains in empty at that hour wouldn't cause havoc on the system.
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Post by North End on Jun 17, 2016 17:54:54 GMT
Do LU run special services for events such as Wembley? I'd imagine brining a few extra trains in empty at that hour wouldn't cause havoc on the system. The answer is yes - quite often additional trips are scheduled to run for events. Being over & above the published timetable, they do however have a likelihood of being cancelled if no drivers are available, especially at weekends.
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Post by geriatrix on Jun 17, 2016 18:09:36 GMT
Chiltern Railways do too. "There is a music event at Wembley Stadium – Coldplay. An amended timetable will operate during the late afternoon and evening. In particular, the following changes will be made to late afternoon/evening peak services to allow us to provide extra capacity to Wembley as efficiently as possible, whilst ensuring minimal disruption to our regular passengers:"
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roythebus
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Post by roythebus on Jun 18, 2016 18:49:04 GMT
The walk from Marylebone to Baker Street is probably about the most I can manage these days! the walk from HS1 at STP to euston was bad enough the previous week when we had to go to Glasgow!
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Post by philthetube on Jun 21, 2016 3:42:36 GMT
I think you were being very optimistic trying to catch the 0016 train. Bearing in mind that there were approx 70,000 people at the concert. When I have traveled from Wembley after an event I have been both surprised and impressed by the way the crowds have been dispersed.
As you say walking from Marylebone to Baker Street is about the most you can manage and that is a similar distance to the walk from the stadium to Wembley Park I cannot imagine you walking that is less then 20 mins without other people getting in the way, From experience you cannot get out of the Stadium in less the 15 mins. That would take you to 2305 before you joint the others wanting a train.
So assuming 2305 at Wembley, five mins to wait for train, not allowing any time for crowds, fifteen mins journey to Baker St. ten mins change time, 7 mins journey to Kings Cross, (which was busy that night), puts you on the platform at Kings Cross 23.42. 34 Minutes to get from kings cross platforms to ST@. for a person who is not a fast walker does not leave a big cushion on a normal day and I have not made any allowances for not being space available on the first train to arrive at Wembley.
Station staff at Wembley cannot do much to improve throughput of passengers, you can be sure that if you were held in the ticket hall that would be because there was no room on the platforms, it must have been station staff who were holding you. There were certainly plenty of staff on the platforms, they control flow of trains through the station ensuring they leave loaded and do not delay services behind. Drivers are told by station staff when to depart.
I suspect that your minimum time for that journey would be one hour so to attempt it after a concert with an extra 30 mins is optimistic.
Journey planner shows 36 mins from the Bobby Moore statue to Kings cross underground. I think that backs up what I say.
I cannot comment on your inward journey though.
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Post by vato on Jun 23, 2016 13:52:37 GMT
I'll add that there were sufficient crowds heading south on the met after this event (causing very long dwell times i'd guess) that some aldgate services were turned at moorgate to recover time. So my view on this is that it's less about tfl management et al, and more about vast numbers of irregular tube users with appalling taste in music.
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Post by londoner on Jun 23, 2016 18:22:18 GMT
Do LU run special services for events such as Wembley? I'd imagine brining a few extra trains in empty at that hour wouldn't cause havoc on the system. Well the fact it was semi-fast implies there was a "special service" because with the current timetable, you only get fast/ semi-fast trains during peak times on weekdays. Sometimes they are also run to recover from delays.
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roythebus
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Post by roythebus on Jun 23, 2016 22:33:48 GMT
The northbound service was about 1900, having probably started at Aldgate. Lengthy delays n/b from Baker St to Finchley Rd. What caused more delays in my view was tipping out a train load at FR and running it fast to HotH. I wouldn't bother going to Wemberley again for a concert, whatever the band. Driving from AFK is a no-no, and as for trying to get out of the car parks afterwards no! I have enough of that when i'm driving rail replacement buses.
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