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Post by rsdworker on Jun 4, 2016 19:52:52 GMT
why Walthamstow Queen's Road - Step-free access is removed? Because there is no train service nor access across or to the station. The ramps were all still there yesterday - I walked up a couple of them. TFL should put daggers on those stations saying there is no train services to those station or access - i think its linked with electrification of GOBLIN
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Post by rincew1nd on Jun 4, 2016 21:49:26 GMT
Part of me wonders why they didn't just take out the South Tottenham to Barking bit of the GOBLIN completely, I'm sure we'll get a new map when it reopens.
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Post by snoggle on Jun 4, 2016 23:22:24 GMT
Because there is no train service nor access across or to the station. The ramps were all still there yesterday - I walked up a couple of them. TFL should put daggers on those stations saying there is no train services to those station or access - i think its linked with electrification of GOBLIN The map has the GOBLIN shown as a dotted line with a great big notice in the key making it clear where and when there is no service. Short of including an audio file that screams the information at the user when they open the tube map I don't know what more TfL can do. I was chatting with a member of staff at Woodgrange Park on Friday and asked if they were expecting any issues. They said no because all the regular users have got used to weeks and weeks of no weekend service so they expect people will adjust automatically. I suspect it may not be quite as smooth as that come Monday morning with the school kids back and also people trying out alternative routes in a weekday peak. I can see there being issues in a number of places where buses are already under strain in the peaks. I may have been imagining it but I think the 123 bus was much busier today than on previous weekends. Obviously we'll see what happens in the peaks and how many people are left behind (this already happens anyway) at places like Blackhorse Rd which has no RRS.
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Post by rincew1nd on Jun 5, 2016 10:35:38 GMT
Short of including an audio file that screams the information at the user when they open the tube map I don't know what more TfL can do. Perhaps as I intimated above, just remove it!
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Post by Chris M on Jun 5, 2016 10:52:48 GMT
I think red text along the path of the line saying "closed for upgrade work until February 2017" or some such, in a similar manner to how "under construction" lines are shown (when they are) would be good. Simply removing the line isn't the best imo as the maps stick around a lot longer than the engineering work will - I spotted a December 2014 pocket map in the racks at Leicester Square yesterday for example.
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Post by rincew1nd on Jun 5, 2016 12:21:42 GMT
That could work, the dashed section from Gospel Oak to South Tottenham makes sense as it's a "limited service" - something else for "no service" South Tottenham to Barking would be fine.
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Post by rsdworker on Jun 5, 2016 22:41:34 GMT
That could work, the dashed section from Gospel Oak to South Tottenham makes sense as it's a "limited service" - something else for "no service" South Tottenham to Barking would be fine. u agree - maybe red with orange - showing line is closed or dimmed orange showing the line is closed with no names on stations as avoid confusion
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Post by MoreToJack on Jun 6, 2016 8:46:18 GMT
That could work, the dashed section from Gospel Oak to South Tottenham makes sense as it's a "limited service" - something else for "no service" South Tottenham to Barking would be fine. u agree - maybe red with orange - showing line is closed or dimmed orange showing the line is closed with no names on stations as avoid confusion But remember that there are daily replacement buses running over the closed section, so a service is being maintained - albeit slower - and so some clear reference should still be on the map. No option will be perfect for everyone, and as always the Tube map has to be an (often awkward) compromise.
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Post by Chris M on Jun 6, 2016 9:08:39 GMT
I don't get why the names of stations would be removed? People still want to get to the places served, they just have to do it by replacement bus not a train. What it needs to show clearly is that the railway is temporarily closed (removing the line or station names would suggest a permanent closure) and it doesn't do a bad job of that.
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Post by trt on Jun 6, 2016 11:12:27 GMT
The fare zones are looking very clumsy now. That patch of 2/3... why not just a striped overlap? And then the tram fare zone creates an island of discontinuity where is crosses the Northern Line before Morden. And why have that shading at all? Emirates doesn't get its own fare zone shading. Then there's two special fares zones, one for Watford and one for Shenfield. There's no 7 or 8 labelling out at that end either - not that there are any stations there. Upminster is very far from the 6 label. Zone 4 is discontinuous between Lewisham and Birkbeck, yet they squeeze ultra thin slivers in elsewhere just to maintain the continuity. With West Croydon being in Zone 5 and having a sliver out towards South Wimbledon, it makes it look like it goes 3,4,5,4. Why is Lewisham a 2/3 station? All the other terminating stations are single zone (logically, as there's no other direction to approach from to get the benefit of a higher zone only fare).
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Post by Chris M on Jun 6, 2016 11:23:37 GMT
Lewisham is 2/3 because the national rail station (which has through services) is on the zone 2/3 boundary (this is also the reason why Greenwich is in both zones, and therefore the reason why the intermediate DLR stations between them are in both zones. Cutty Sark is in both zones because it being in a different zone to Greenwich would be ridiculous).
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Post by rincew1nd on Jun 6, 2016 18:41:45 GMT
Yes, the use of only two colours for the zones now that they are no longer concentric is starting to be inappropriate. Perhaps a major change is needed in this regard?
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Post by phoenixcronin on Jun 6, 2016 20:31:11 GMT
Yes, the use of only two colours for the zones now that they are no longer concentric is starting to be inappropriate. Perhaps a major change is needed in this regard? Perhaps a return to multi-coloured zones like this?
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Post by rsdworker on Jun 6, 2016 21:45:00 GMT
i remember that old coloured zone map - its was around 1999/2000s
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Post by Chris M on Jun 7, 2016 0:33:26 GMT
Given the note about the Jubilee line this version must be circa September/October 1999.
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Post by blackhorsesteve on Jun 9, 2016 11:13:12 GMT
Still haven't seen the June map in the wild, they must have huge stocks of the January map to get rid of!
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jun 10, 2016 6:47:54 GMT
Still haven't seen the June map in the wild, they must have huge stocks of the January map to get rid of! Also odd that the posters at stations haven't appeared, despite LO GOBLIN closure starting last weekend. Alterations for Caledonian Road and Lambeth North restrictions?
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jun 10, 2016 7:41:18 GMT
Lewisham is 2/3 because the national rail station (which has through services) is on the zone 2/3 boundary (this is also the reason why Greenwich is in both zones, and therefore the reason why the intermediate DLR stations between them are in both zones. Cutty Sark is in both zones because it being in a different zone to Greenwich would be ridiculous). Another reason for showing both zones isbecause you can use a zone 3 travelcard between those stations. I understand the reason the maps haven't appeared yet is because they are having to be reprinted because of an error. It briefly appeared on the online version, which has now been amended, but printing takes a bit longer
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jun 18, 2016 12:06:30 GMT
the June 2016 map has started to (finally) appear at stations, both in poster and card form. (the poster version is only in the corrected form) the error(s) on the original version are plain to see: - Morden shown in 'Special fares apply' zone - Greenford is step-free to train (as shown on January 2016 map) - Barbican shown as closed September until November 2016 Index: the reprinted version has the following: - Morden shown correctly in zone 4 - Greenford is step-free to platform - Barbican closure removed Index: common cover to both: no mention on either map of impending closure of Lambeth North !
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Post by rsdworker on Jun 20, 2016 20:01:43 GMT
i emailed them about lambeth north - its they now aware of it because there wasnt marker on it so they should correct it soon
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2016 17:42:39 GMT
Interesting that the little fold out map shows the Central Line differently from that on the website. I thought that they would keep them the same so that people wouldn't get confused. content.tfl.gov.uk/standard-tube-map.pdf
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