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Post by silverfoxcc on May 9, 2016 19:59:07 GMT
Reading the Capital paperback books on the early stock on these lines, it mentions that some of them were 'unsuitable' for running on the surface lines. no reason being given.
The only thing i can think of is no windscreen wipers, or is there another reason?
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Post by norbitonflyer on May 9, 2016 20:15:12 GMT
Also no heating, and in the case of the Bakerloo the floor height was not considered suitable for use on the section jointly worked with full size LNWR stock.
There may have been other factors such as how waterproof the windows were.
The CLR Line also had the original "Tunnel stock" and the later "Ealing stock"
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Post by John Tuthill on May 9, 2016 21:10:48 GMT
Also no heating, and in the case of the Bakerloo the floor height was not considered suitable for use on the section jointly worked with full size LNWR stock. There may have been other factors such as how waterproof the windows were. The CLR Line also had the original "Tunnel stock" and the later "Ealing stock" Or possibly the height of the shoe beam? |
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Post by spsmiler on May 10, 2016 14:40:40 GMT
or because of the open gate ends?
Simon
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Post by norbitonflyer on May 10, 2016 20:23:34 GMT
or because of the open gate ends? Simon Possibly, although only the gatemen themselves should have been travelling "outside", and it would probably be no more draughty in the open air than in a tunnel, and no more exposed to the weather than contemporary bus and tram drivers (who were not permitted windscreens until about 1930). However, it would appear that "Gate stock" was not completely banned from the open air, as the original termini of the GNPBR and CCEHR, at Hammersmith and at Golders Green respectively, were both in the open. |
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Post by silverfoxcc on May 11, 2016 21:22:31 GMT
Thanks,
Never realised the early stock had heating!
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Post by norbitonflyer on May 12, 2016 7:01:35 GMT
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Post by metman on May 14, 2016 3:18:10 GMT
Interestingly the 1920 tube stock was not considered suitable for use above ground either and was moved from the Piccadilly to the Bakerloo in the late 1920s to operate on the queens park service. It's final use was proposed to be on the northern city but this never transpired.
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Post by silverfoxcc on May 14, 2016 20:45:24 GMT
Norbiton,
Thanks for the link. Very interesting rerading and once i sm up to date on my Trolleybus book collection!" will certinly put that on m to get list.It seems a pity that those two capital books never had a Vol 2 to cover the A/C/D and at a pinch The S stock. along with all the tube stock inroduced since then. even it were just the one book,or pad it out with service stock l. Transport for the future. Happy Daysocos etc.
The number lists brought back many happy memories when i was in the 'spotting' phase of my life, if it had wheels and a number, it went into a book, and that included planes. My one abiding memory of the early 'standard' stock was at Wood Green bsack in 1959, when we used to spend dinner hour from school spotting,and sometimes venturing as far north as Arnos Grove!. One dinner hour i made it to Green Park and back with a stack of US car showroom brochures as proof. However the best memory was one of our school mates who lived at Finchley and used the 38 stock on the Northern. He was not impressed with the 'old junk' we had but used to regale us with his tsles of how he used to run at the double doors and time his run to get through as they began to open. However he knew not of the central pillars on our line. Never seen a guy bounce back so far. Never did it again. Being Hauled by the Met Electrics from Liv St to Harrow and back, the 'quaint old stock' of the District and those lovely looking P and R stock, the F stock that was rapidly going, and they were a ride! And i can recall the central platform at KX, never saw a train in it though, travelling on a Twin Rover on the Bakerloo up to Watford and back getting all the LMS stuff coming down to Wembley for the England Scotland games and the FA cup and Rugby League finals. Two regrets Not keeping the IA books of the period and not having a camera. And Thanks for area site and info on it
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Post by yerkes on Jun 8, 2016 12:00:05 GMT
Re the original question in this thread, I asked Brian Hardy in the Facebook LT Standard Stock Group for clarification about modifications to 'Ealing Stock' to make them suitable for outdoor running, as this piqued my curiosity too. He replied that the modifications consisted of, 'to cut a long story short, new bogies and 'weather proofing''.
Hope this is helpful.
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