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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2007 22:43:36 GMT
I have recently been informed on a thread at Railchat that there was steam locomotives being used on LUL into the 1970s on engineers trains. I have searched and cannot find any reference to this apart from a line in Wikipedia. I have also been searching images as well to see if I can find any pictures to support this. Does anyone know if this is true. |
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Post by mrfs42 on Dec 25, 2007 23:59:25 GMT
Aye, it is true. Steam finished in 1971: search Wikipedia for 'GWR 5700 class' and you'll find all sorts of details about L89 - L99. Hope this helps.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2007 1:17:03 GMT
That is a fantastic help. Many thanks for that. One further question. Do you know if any of these ever got as far as the East London Line?
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Post by setttt on Dec 26, 2007 1:35:31 GMT
I have also been searching images as well to see if I can find any pictures to support this. Have you visited Geoff Plumb's fotopic site? geoff-plumb.fotopic.net/ - have a look at the 'London Transport' collection. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2007 14:05:40 GMT
I have also been searching images as well to see if I can find any pictures to support this. Have you visited Geoff Plumb's fotopic site? geoff-plumb.fotopic.net/ - have a look at the 'London Transport' collection. What a fantastic site, hours of surfing there. By the way, if you like 60s pics, have you seen www.flickr.com/photos/barkingbill? No LUL, but lots of interest on the mainline. |
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Post by mrfs42 on Dec 29, 2007 12:22:31 GMT
That is a fantastic help. Many thanks for that. One further question. Do you know if any of these ever got as far as the East London Line? I'm afraid I don't: most of the Traffic Circulars I've got date back to the early '50s (before the separate Ballast Train supplement); and the ELL workings that I remember seeing in them were worked by battery engines. From a Working Timetable point of view most of what I can lay my hands on would suggest that L89 - L99 were generally confined to Neasden - Croxley Tip, Liilie Bridge and top end of the Met area, at least in the latter days. There is also the possibility (albeit remote) that one of the panniers worked through on a goods train when the connections were in place at New + / New + Gate before they became LT property. |
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Post by Oracle on Dec 29, 2007 17:52:39 GMT
There used to be a pannier train, and I keep thinking it was Saturday lunchtimes, that ran through Hammersmith local to Acton Town, presumably from Lillie Bridge. I was gob-smacked as a young chap to see a steam loco running Eastbound through Hammersmith past the District platform one day!
There were also workings from Lillie Bridge via the connection into BR at Kensington South Main to the NLL and thence to sidings on the east side of the NLL.
I cannot recall seeing any photos of pannier tanks on the ELL, though BR steam locos of course did run through to the SR by reversing at Liverpool Street*, and thence via the connections at New X and New X Gate. There are photos around of the JOHN MILTON SPECIAL tour with ex-Met electrics at New X.
*These were condensing tanks I think. On reflection were the panniers banned from the Thames Tunnel as they lacked condensing equipment?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2007 3:06:03 GMT
In 1968/9, as a callow youth, I moved into digs (is that term still used?) in a house with a long garden that backed onto the Met between West Harrow and Rayners Lane. Strange noises woke me in the wee small hours of my first night there. Looked out of the window, and saw a ghostly silhouette of a steam loco standing there, complete with eerie glow from the cab. Scared the cr*p out of me, since I had lived in Cornwall for years, and had no idea there was still steam on LT...   |
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Post by Oracle on Dec 30, 2007 12:37:53 GMT
geoff-plumb.fotopic.net/p39849824.htmlDampflok's site has (previous photo) a photo of a panneir + brake van in 1970 at Ravenscourt Park...but that photo with the 1960 Stock has me puzzled as I thought that test trains using the Fast ran on the EB Fast? Note the motorman presumably leaving tea for the Guard?
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Post by tubeprune on Dec 30, 2007 13:08:35 GMT
geoff-plumb.fotopic.net/p39849824.htmlDampflok's site has (previous photo) a photo of a panneir + brake van in 1970 at Ravenscourt Park...but that photo with the 1960 Stock has me puzzled as I thought that test trains using the Fast ran on the EB Fast? They used the WB fast for most tests and this was the road equipped with ATO. No, he's getting off, probably having been relieved at Acton. We had a few drivers who lived at S Ealing. You never would give the guard tea at this point since there was no where to make it west of Covent Garden until you got to Hounslow. Hot water for tea making on the Picc. was at Arsenal EB (give to guard at Finsbury Park), Cockfosters, Cov. Gdn (give to driver at Leicester Sq.), S Harrow (either side and exchange at Rayners or Sudbury Hill), Hounslow West and Uxbridge. |
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Post by Oracle on Dec 30, 2007 18:36:41 GMT
Cheers TP! I can only recall the Brake Block tests with 'Sarah' using the EB Fast. When I commuted Hounslow West>Holborn then Green Park I used to see the 1960 Stock train at Northfields Depot.
I think that the Hounslow West facilities room may still be there from what I could see through the girders. It was under the main building in line with the trackbed/stops wasn't it, with the loos either side?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2008 23:48:29 GMT
I have also been searching images as well to see if I can find any pictures to support this. Have you visited Geoff Plumb's fotopic site? geoff-plumb.fotopic.net/ - have a look at the 'London Transport' collection. Thanks for the links to my site for pictures of the elusive Pannier Tank workings - hope you found the pictures interesting and of some use! I've just added another picture (at present in the "New Additions!" collection for a few days before going into the "London Transport" collection):  Image is "clickable" to take you to larger picture on my site if you would like to visit! Thanks, Cheers, Geoff |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2008 20:38:52 GMT
There was an article by a Kirk Martin about his life as a ballast train fireman in the defunct mag "Railway World" in the 1970's when he described a night trip Lillie Bridge to Upminster.
Regrettably I no longer have the mag but someone here i am sure can find it and scan it on !
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Post by c5 on Jan 22, 2008 20:41:13 GMT
There was an article by a Kirk Martin about his life as a ballast train fireman in the defunct mag "Railway World" in the 1970's when he described a night trip Lillie Bridge to Upminster. Regrettably I no longer have the mag but someone here i am sure can find it and scan it on ! I'll get in touch with him and see if he still has a copy. |
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Post by Oracle on Jan 22, 2008 21:06:00 GMT
Wasn't there an article about the Panniers at Neasden a few years ago in one of the railway mags?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2008 22:04:20 GMT
The book that you want to read on this one is just out. 'Red Panniers. Last Steam On The Underground' by John Scott-Morgan and Kirk Martin. Saw it in the LT museum shop in Covent Garden today and ummed and erred about the £27 price tag. The piece at the end giving a brief description of some of the wagons finally suckered me in. I read it on the train on the way home and it is worth every penny! The magazine article mentioned above by Kirk Martin has been expanded and included within. Fantastic!
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Post by ribaric on Oct 4, 2008 22:10:17 GMT
I worked at Lillie bridge between 72 and 75 thus just missed the end of steam. I worked on the "steam" re-named "Diesel" link which meant we only worked trains over the Met, District (which included the ELL) and west end of the Picc. Many of the drivers were ex-steam firemen and I remember a few of them telling me that, towards the end, the steam trains were pretty much confined to the dustbin run. This meant picking up dumpsters from the platforms thus taking the trash away, later such trains took it all to Watford tip. They would do this throughout their non-tube area so it's almost certain they worked the ELL during this time. HTH
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2008 17:12:34 GMT
One of the thoughts that pervaded my miniscule brain when thinking about what trains I could run to keep a London Transport model layout interesting to non-LT minded modellers was this. 'What if a train powered by either battery locos or a pannier ran along the non-tube lines to collect the dustbins. After all, surely not all of the stations had lifts and it would be beyond most station staff I have ever met to lift the things up to the surface'. I cannot believe that such a train actually ran! Did the dustbins get swapped with empties or was the rubbish emptied into the wagons? also, I would imagine that the train ran after the end of service. Did the train have a nickname (the s*@* train or similar)? Were the bins the old fashioned steel ones or special ones? Thanks in advance.
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Post by roythebus on Dec 27, 2008 21:36:11 GMT
As a schoolboy, I regularly watched the panniers on tip trains to Watford. They used to take ash and waste from Neasden power station to Watford tip. As others suggest, rubbish bin trains may have run there too.
Engineers trains ran from Lillie Bridge to the end of steam, some would propel out of the depot and run e/b to wherever, others would just head west. It was rather smokey sometimes on the PB/ER trains, if a steamer had just gone through the tunnel!
Some steam workings would run round at Baker Street (circle) before heading along the Met Main back to Neasden.
I managed to visit Lillie Bridge in the last days of steam and watched a transfer trip from Lillie Bridge to BR Olympia sidings to collect a train of coal wagons. This must have been the last regular steam working on BR in the London area.
Don't forget there was also regular steam workings on the DR from South Acton to West Kensington coal yard and High street Kensington coal yard until the mid to late 1960's, usually a BR pannier or ex LMS Jinty. In latter years these were sometimes worked by aa Brush Type 2, later class 31.
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