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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2016 8:27:59 GMT
Currently, C2C services at weekends go from Barking to Liverpool Street via Stratford at 2tph. These services currently use the Crossrail Line as far as I'm aware. When Crossrail starts at 12tph on this section, will there still be capacity for these services, or will there track rearrangements to make them skip this line, which I doubt. It's making me wonder lately. |
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Post by snoggle on Jan 30, 2016 11:22:37 GMT
Currently, C2C services at weekends go from Barking to Liverpool Street via Stratford at 2tph. These services currently use the Crossrail Line as far as I'm aware. When Crossrail starts at 12tph on this section, will there still be capacity for these services, or will there track rearrangements to make them skip this line, which I doubt. It's making me wonder lately. 12 tph is the peak frequency into the tunnel. There will also be 4 tph into Liverpool St surface station in the peak direction. The current planned off peak frequency on Crossrail is 6 tph on the Shenfield route although TfL are rumoured to be seeking rights to 8 tph. This still leaves 8 tph spare compared to the peaks so I doubt C2C's 2 paths represent much of an issue given there will be some spare capacity west of Stratford once Crossrail goes via the tunnel. As the weekend service is, I believe, a franchise commitment then I expect C2C have secured access rights for those services for the foreseeable future. In seeking those rights all other operators, TfL Rail / MTR Crossrail, will have been able to review and comment on the track access request. Given the trains are now running I assume there were no great objections. If you dig around on ORR's website you might even be able to find the track access request and see who responded to it. |
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Post by stapler on Jan 30, 2016 12:08:58 GMT
There are also occasional freight paths ex Forest Gate Jc to be factored in, plus ECS to Ilford depot. I should have thought the weekend pathing could accommodate a couple of passenger services ex-LTS an hour
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2016 8:49:05 GMT
Thank You. I have seen these extra services on the Crossrail website, however, the peak frequency through the tunnel is 24tph (not 12tph) looking at Crossrail services, with 12tph to Abbey Wood and 12tph to Shenfield. These 2tph from Barking to Liverpool Street don't run during these times, however, it could be handy and have a lot of benefits. I used to think that Crossrail was going the segregate this line, and there is only a slight increase during the off peak, that's why I am getting confused.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 10:54:33 GMT
I am not sure what question is being asked here.
Liverpool Street (LS) station is obviously not being closed as it is still the terminus for the (semi)fast trains from east of Shenfield and for the LO trains to NE London. The "east side" platforms at LS will have increased capacity one presumes because of Shenfield trains disappearing down the hole at Stratford. The "surface" tracks will still be there and the C2C trains will be taking up the same capacity from Forest Gate junc. to the (surface) station at Stratford and then LS as at present.
Is the question about C2C trains from Barking (or Southend for that matter) offering a service to Reading by disappearing down the hole at Stratford? |
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Post by North End on Mar 3, 2016 11:18:44 GMT
I am not sure what question is being asked here.
Liverpool Street (LS) station is obviously not being closed as it is still the terminus for the (semi)fast trains from east of Shenfield and for the LO trains to NE London. The "east side" platforms at LS will have increased capacity one presumes because of Shenfield trains disappearing down the hole at Stratford. The "surface" tracks will still be there and the C2C trains will be taking up the same capacity from Forest Gate junc. to the (surface) station at Stratford and then LS as at present.
Is the question about C2C trains from Barking (or Southend for that matter) offering a service to Reading by disappearing down the hole at Stratford? I can't see LTS line trains using Crossrail. Apart from the trains not being compatible, the line will already be running at/near capacity with the Shenfield and Abbey Wood routes. The spare capacity is at the west end with the Paddington reversers. It also pays to keep the service pattern simple. I think the planned Thameslink service will be a massive disaster because it plans too many different infrequent service patterns meshing together, fortunately Crossrail is avoiding this trap - although the western end is still a little messy. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 14:43:48 GMT
I am not sure what question is being asked here.
Liverpool Street (LS) station is obviously not being closed as it is still the terminus for the (semi)fast trains from east of Shenfield and for the LO trains to NE London. The "east side" platforms at LS will have increased capacity one presumes because of Shenfield trains disappearing down the hole at Stratford. The "surface" tracks will still be there and the C2C trains will be taking up the same capacity from Forest Gate junc. to the (surface) station at Stratford and then LS as at present.
Is the question about C2C trains from Barking (or Southend for that matter) offering a service to Reading by disappearing down the hole at Stratford? As I read it, the question being asked is: Will there still be the capacity between Stratford (Crossrail Junction) and Forest Gate Junction to continue operating the existing c2c service via Stratford? |
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Post by jukes on Mar 3, 2016 16:53:53 GMT
c2c will continue to operate as now into Liverpool Street. When Crossrail opens there will still be residual services operating from the surface platforms, even after the tunnel service begins. LST will be reduced by 1 platform in total to allow two of the last three remaining 8-car only platforms to be lengthened to 12-car capacity.
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Post by spsmiler on Mar 3, 2016 22:29:51 GMT
c2c will continue to operate as now into Liverpool Street. When Crossrail opens there will still be residual services operating from the surface platforms, even after the tunnel service begins. LST will be reduced by 1 platform in total to allow two of the last three remaining 8-car only platforms to be lengthened to 12-car capacity. Do you know which platform will cease to exist at Liverpool Street? Simon |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2016 23:10:13 GMT
c2c will continue to operate as now into Liverpool Street. When Crossrail opens there will still be residual services operating from the surface platforms, even after the tunnel service begins. LST will be reduced by 1 platform in total to allow two of the last three remaining 8-car only platforms to be lengthened to 12-car capacity. Do you know which platform will cease to exist at Liverpool Street? Simon Found this accidentally via Google
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Currently Liverpool Street has 18 platforms, although that will drop to 17 once Crossrail opens. However, this figure could eventually rise to 20.
Initially Platform 18 will close, because of the need to extend Platforms 16 and 17 to accommodate Crossrail’s new trains. The nine-car Class 345 Aventras that will serve the station are much longer than the current Metro trains, so the infrastructure must be accommodated accordingly. And there is little scope to do the work.
- See more at: www.railmagazine.com/infrastructure/stations/a-major-achievement-for-liverpool-street#sthash.GuvUs9iF.dpuf
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Post by spsmiler on Mar 12, 2016 22:17:47 GMT
Thanks.
I still lament the closure of the bay platform at Ilford. It wonder if they investigated extending the platform at the other end... yes its under a road. I also feel that despite the extra length of the trains the planned train frequency (which is the same as now) will not mean less peak hour crowding. OK, maybe at first but if passengers switch en masse so the benefits will not be felt for long.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2016 10:42:09 GMT
I am not sure what question is being asked here.
Liverpool Street (LS) station is obviously not being closed as it is still the terminus for the (semi)fast trains from east of Shenfield and for the LO trains to NE London. The "east side" platforms at LS will have increased capacity one presumes because of Shenfield trains disappearing down the hole at Stratford. The "surface" tracks will still be there and the C2C trains will be taking up the same capacity from Forest Gate junc. to the (surface) station at Stratford and then LS as at present.
Is the question about C2C trains from Barking (or Southend for that matter) offering a service to Reading by disappearing down the hole at Stratford? My question was is that will C2C trains to Liverpool Street from Barking will still run. Like I said, I thought Crossrail was going to segregate the line, hence why I was getting confused. |
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