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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2016 17:25:53 GMT
Any sources of info out there on trains stopping at either/or Wembley Park/Neasden either as a service stop or to change locos (e.g. Chesham trains)?
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jan 23, 2016 19:23:00 GMT
Any sources of info out there on trains stopping at either/or Wembley Park/Neasden either as a service stop or to change locos (e.g. Chesham trains)? Surely Chesham was run as a shuttle for most of its history? And I can't imagine why a loco change would be necessary so close to the GCR/LNER terminus at Marylebone.
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Post by metman on Jan 23, 2016 19:36:00 GMT
The electric steam change over was moved to Rickmansworth in 1925 so there were not too many Met steam services after this time.
I would not have thought that any LNER trains would have stopped at Wembley/Neasden as there were no platforms there.
I think there was a wide variety of motive power including Robinson A5s and Thompson L1s. In the early days C13s were used and latterly on the chesham shuttle. I've also seen mention of N5s used on the mainline. There were V1/2s from time to time. The later years if metropolitan steam - H.C.Casserley is a good book.
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Post by Harsig on Jan 23, 2016 19:42:06 GMT
Trains to or from Marylebone never called at intermediate station south of Harrow, and no platforms were ever provided at these stations on the tracks that Marylebone trains use. Having said that there was a temporary platform erected at Neasden during the Second World War which was used as a temporary terminus after the line into Marylebone was blocked further south by bomb damage.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2016 21:35:47 GMT
A German V1 or V2 rocket landed on the approach tracks to Marylebone and probably would have closed the station so a temporary terminus makes sense.
Chesham trains did go south, to change the rolling stock set for example, and there could have been direct services. Locos could have been changed to go off to Neasden (south) depot.
It would be useful to get some details if poss.
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Post by DWS on Jan 24, 2016 10:52:59 GMT
The LNER engine shed at Neasden was a much bigger depot for locos than the Metropolitan shed which was part of Neasden Works. The two sheds were on two separate sites.
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Post by theblackferret on Jan 24, 2016 11:47:20 GMT
A German V1 or V2 rocket landed on the approach tracks to Marylebone and probably would have closed the station so a temporary terminus makes sense. Chesham trains did go south, to change the rolling stock set for example, and there could have been direct services. Locos could have been changed to go off to Neasden (south) depot. It would be useful to get some details if poss. I've skimmed through The Capital Transport Series (all the following by Mike Horne) volumes on The Bakerloo, Met & Jubilee Lines & the nearest incident was a viaduct partially demolished near Kilburn, where they ran trains as far as they safely could to both ends, detrained passengers onto buses & re-entrained them on the other side of the gap. It only took a fortnight to reinstate the lines and the Tube service, but many months to fully strengthen the viaduct. I can find no reference to the GCR/LNER service disruption causing use of Met/Bakerloo platforms, and that sort of eventuality is the sort of thing Mike Horne is good at picking up on, especially given the background to some of both the Met, & The MSLR before it became the GCR & immediately it did, vide the Wembley Tower, a bright idea of the guy who was chairmen of both railways & the SER, Sir Edward Watkin.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2016 17:53:40 GMT
Bomb damage blocked the main line into Marylebone in early-October 1940 and as a result, a temporary station was provided on the main line at Neasden and is believed to have opened on 5 October 1940. This was for Wycombe line passengers to transfer to the LT station at Neasden, while passengers from the Aylesbury line had to change to the Metropolitan Line at Harrow-on-the-Hill. The temporary station closed after traffic on 26 November 1940 from when a limited main line service to Marylebone resumed.
This was probably why, on 1/12/40, an electric loco and 8 LNER coaches (4 articulated pairs of LNER Inner Suburban stock) ran from Neasden depot to Baker Street (in non-traffic hours) and return for gauging both roads Finchley Road – Baker Street. In case of future WW2 bomb damage, it might have been possible to divert LNER coaching stock into Baker Street.
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Post by johnb2 on Jan 24, 2016 18:09:59 GMT
One point to make clear, the GCR/LNER tracks were not connected to the Met/Bakerloo tracks at Neasden, or indeed anywhere else south of Harrow. The only connection was at Harrow, from there to Marylebone the GCR/LNER was independent. For a GC/LNER loco to get to Neasden and then changeover/drop the stock off would mean it returning to Harrow to regain home rails, it could not have reached the GCR/LNER Neasden shed any other way. That shed was way off across the other side of both mainlines from Neasden Met depot, in fact it almost aligned with Neasden station.
Referring to the Chesham stock changeover as far as I know from 1925 the changeover was that the stock returned to Neasden Saturday night changing from steam to electric at Rickmansworth and the next weeks set ran from Neasden early Sunday morning, electric hauled to Ricky changing over there to steam. We lived overlooking the Met just north of Pinner Station when I wasa kid, if I was up early I would see this electric hauled little three coach train hesding north, it was years before I found out where it was going!
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Post by roythebus on Jan 25, 2016 10:20:20 GMT
There was a lengthy discussion on here a while ago about the Chesham stock workings.
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Post by John Tuthill on Jan 25, 2016 14:29:18 GMT
Bomb damage blocked the main line into Marylebone in early-October 1940 and as a result, a temporary station was provided on the main line at Neasden and is believed to have opened on 5 October 1940. This was for Wycombe line passengers to transfer to the LT station at Neasden, while passengers from the Aylesbury line had to change to the Metropolitan Line at Harrow-on-the-Hill. The temporary station closed after traffic on 26 November 1940 from when a limited main line service to Marylebone resumed.
This was probably why, on 1/12/40, an electric loco and 8 LNER coaches (4 articulated pairs of LNER Inner Suburban stock) ran from Neasden depot to Baker Street (in non-traffic hours) and return for gauging both roads Finchley Road – Baker Street. In case of future WW2 bomb damage, it might have been possible to divert LNER coaching stock into Baker Street. Reference to this and a photo of works at Neasden are on page 69 of "London Main line war damage" by BWL Brooksbank(Capital Transport)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2016 20:48:03 GMT
There was a lengthy discussion on here a while ago about the Chesham stock workings.
Using search, the previous thread referred to seems to be "Chesham push-pull sets" back in 2009.
The Chesham movements seem to complicate things but there do seem to have been direct Chesham to M'bone trains and these could have been stopped at Neasden in 1940. Thanks for all that info. Otherwise the LNER Chesham trains would have been n/s from Harrow.
Trains could have gone empty to exchange rolling stock and locos in the vicinity of Wembley/Neasden in order to get onto 34E.
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